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@patec  
Also, there are well over 3 thousand images that have scores between 200 and 250 that have the tag, and almost 17 thousand that have the same score range but don’t have it.  
Both of which are quite large numbers.

@patec  
like was said before then, don’t let anyone but the artist upload then, see how long the site stays active, uploaders are the only reason the site exists, neglecting their contribution is a strait up dick move,

About this whole uploader achievement discussion:
 
When you come across a picture tagged with upvotes galore, what do you actually think?  
“Good job uploader! well done.”?  
Cause I don’t. If anything I think “Good job artist, well done”.  
I don’t see it as a achievement for the uploader at all.  
All you have to do is watch a hand full of popular artist and be quick when they post their work on DA, tumblr, etc.  
Sorry, that isn’t a huge achievement.
 
And the most important argument for getting rid of the tags is still this one.  
Right now there are 1566 pics with over 250 upvotes but without the tag.  
upvotes.gte:250 covers all of them!

@toxicitzi  
It’s relevant as it pertains to the future of the tags, and while i do question the high levels set for them i am not one of those “Nobody should win so no body loses” people, i just feel we should acknowledge that your participation is worth while and noticed,

@Thanotos Omega  
it’s a whole different topic you’re looking for and, like I said, I disagree with badges from a fundamental level.
 
I’m also pretty sure that other people have suggested this before.

@The Frowning Pony  
@toxicitzi  
OK as my last valid argument before this becomes a completely circular chat, what about making them into badges Upvotes Galore:1 upload with at least 100 upvotes Wall of Faves:1 Upload with at least 100 faves, like the bronze metal to the more impressive ones? you could even underscore this by giving them gag descriptions like “Don’t get to cocky, this is totally a gamerscore 5 achievement, 10 tops” or “Congratulations you did a thing, not an amazing thing, but it is still a thing,” that way it doesn’t feel like it’s stepping on those who spent years earning their upload badges toes,
 
This i feel offers a fair method to A: continue the little ego boost they give and B: pay a little homage to the sites history.
 
and Upvotes Galore can be displaced from the under avatar listing when you earn it’s bigger brother badge,

@Clover the Clever  
I see!

@Thanotos Omega  
the site is in fact much better without either of these things to strain you into being an active worker here, that’s not what people should be doing on a site like this or trying to strive for in the first place and I may be just myself of this opinion, but things encouraging laboring in the site are detrimental to a user’s personal experience with the site and we’d all be much better without badges.
 
but the thing here is that, it won’t stay for such a reason as you’re giving. What you’re asking here is to keep a tag that is essentially dead weight on the system, but if tags could be useful meta-wise, do you have any idea how many tags would stay for the lulz? Lots of them.. you wouldn’t believe how many variations of “OP IS something something something” there would be.
 
I would normally agree here, because a little sense of achievement in the background is actually good, one without stretches and goals, or marks, just simple uploads that can reach a little status like that with no real consequences for the act, but this just is too little a reason and too few people even care about it to deem it worthwhile, not to mention that it goes against site functionality which is always a Bad thing for a very good reason! if site functionality never mattered to anyone here, you wouldn’t have the current flow and speed at your disposal that you do now, you can’t just dismiss that because this one thing is going to be the only exception, that’s just how it starts, one exception will bring many others along the road and for just that reason, one exception to fuck up the tags for browsing is already too many.
 
you should be happy with the status your images have, it’s really the same thing as seeing that tag there. The tag part is the unnecessary thing to have here.

@Thanotos Omega  
But… the score is there, and it’s correct and on all images always; what’s the difference between that, and that and an extraneous tag that people have to apply and maintain and may not be accurate?

@liamwhite1  
I just can’t help but feel you are missing the big point that if it makes someone a little happy for a few minutes it’s worth a little effort, and that no matter how you phrase it this comes off as a big “no fun allowed” which is not a very uplifting message from a site that was made so fans had a place to hangout and have fun,

@Thanotos Omega
 

 
Uploading enough images and taking enough risks on them to get 200 images with scores over 200 is no small undertaking and is a great positive contribution to the site.
 

 
If you assume that upvotes are dynamic: we don’t track that. We’re not interested in tracking that. It’s expensive in terms of database storage. Objective application of such a tag could be questionable. How would you retroactively apply it? etc
 
If you assume that upvotes are static (they are not removed after being applied) then there is also search syntax for this; see created_at.

@The Frowning Pony  
I was referring to the badges, they have a really high standard last i saw, so most users will never get an uploaders badge simply because of A: one art form is completely disqualified and B there isn’t enough new art that does meet the criteria for people to have a realistic chance at getting the 200 uploads let alone 200 that get over 200 upvotes, the wall of faves and Upvotes galore are like a little consolation prize, just throw them into a different category that carries a 1 hour ban for needless reports, and let people tag war over it,
 
Or even simpler give them official criteria Upvotes Galore: 200+ upvotes within a day(this gives it a tiny bit of difference from the search feature to help justify it,) Wall of Faves: 200+ Faves, there they now have simple criteria still have some minor sense of meaning and someone get’s to smile when they see it on an upload,

@Thanotos Omega  
How is a something that’s listed in the search help guide more elitist than having to already know about a tag with a name as obtuse as “upvotes galore”?

@Background Pony #FB76
 
Because that needs adding more code lines. In programming you want to make everything easier/smaller as possible. Its the perfect job for lazy people, as some say.

@Princess Luna  
All of this still feels more like a shut out the masses for the chosen elite, and a effort at some kind of obsession with order over the simple fun and joy of people, again like a holiday special villain who hates yuletide holidays because the check out counter they work get’s super busy on account of gifts,
 
 
@toxicitzi  
The exact same thing could be said of badges or any name plate that doesn’t belong to a member with banning powers, they exist because people respond well to positive reinforcement(And to give leverage on Pikapete),
 
 
@Clover the Clever  
I once again offer the simple solution, make any tag that isn’t considered actually good or necessary a different color maybe hide them from view on the image by default and have a little thing pop up when you scroll over it that says “don’t bother mods over this unless it actually breaks the site rules, this tag is a joke or ambiguous so we don’t care,”

@Exedrus  

 
Our assistants, moderators and staff give their time freely, for some reason. The costs are all hardware, bandwidth and support services (FUN FACT: Derpi serves about 70 terabytes of images a month). Tags don’t have any appreciable impact on the cost of the site. However, resolving disputes on tagging, ensuring consistent application and so on, that all adds time and effort, and so removes time/effort from other areas of the site’s care and maintenance.

and just for the sake of argument, wouldn’t that small sense of achievement be self-evident in and of itself? It’s not like someone has stolen your uploads in any way, the tags are just useless in and of themselves.

The main point of removing tags like this is to attempt to consistently enforce tagging standards which itself has the point of keeping tags uncluttered and thus making them more user-friendly; every “button” filled with words to act on only makes the tag area harder to use, so we should only have more on an image if those tags actually can be used for anything.  
Metadata stuff is a prime example because it doesn’t need to clutter the tag area at all to be used in searching, and it’s more useful as search syntax to boot.
 
Relatedly, tags like “the implications are horrible” are nondescriptive and add a bunch of words to the tag list without real benefit. Things like “implied genocide” are a lot more specific and useful, justifying the extra words.

@Thanotos Omega  
>“Hence the idea of putting them into a separate section of tags that are YMMV,”  
But that’s more work the Devs would need to dedicate to dealing with these tags. As I understand it, they’d rather just be done with this whole issue than have to create a more complex method to deal with it.
 
>“all “Upgrade” or “Maintenance” means to me anymore is down time followed…”  
Well, there’s a whole slew of TODO items they’ve got listed. I imagine some of those features could be pretty nice. I know there are other ideas that have been thrown around (like having notifications for “@your_own_username” responses in comments be shown to be more important than other comments). I would love it if that got implemented.
 
>“All of this feels like the industrialization of the site…”  
I really can’t speak to that point. Ever since I learned it takes ~$400 a month to run this site, I just assumed that the owners would run it with an eye for efficiency. If this means they think its worth it to purge unnecessary tags, then I can’t really fault them for wanting to reduce costs or free up resources… But I think you’re seeing something that I’m not so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

@Exedrus  
Hence the idea of putting them into a separate section of tags that are YMMV,
 
all “Upgrade” or “Maintenance” means to me anymore is down time followed by bugs and no other changes, i’m sure that someone notices something but that’s what it’s felt like ever since the forums replies started breaking,
 
All of this feels like the industrialization of the site, Mods who care more about not getting reports then solving problems, more and more gaps between the average user and a small group of insiders, it’s unsettling and starting to sound more and more like what i imagine happened when DC launched the new 52, where people got so caught up in their own deal that they spat on the readers,

@Thanotos Omega  
Hmmmmmm I don’t remember saying it was pointless.
 
I honestly think people will think too highly of these tags due to their impressive sounding names like “Upvotes Galore” or “Wall of Faves”. I mean, I remember when I first saw those tags, the artist in me absolutely wanted to get them on my works. And the part of me that was here to browse images was tempted to add them to my watch list, or maybe create a filter that excluded everything else so that, from time to time, I could just peruse the “best of the best”. People who see these tags will usually think they beget some “standard” or threshold for good posts, which absolutely misleading if we just let people add them whilly nilly.
 
Although if we are allowed to say the tag is pointless, then there are reasons to remove it. Tags that aren’t used just sit on the server and take up space. That’s time/electricity/money/computation resource that we could be spending on site upgrades. Or we could just not spend it at all, and allow the server to work just that little bit faster/more cheaply.

@Exedrus  
If it’s as pointless as you say then why police it? all pointing out it’s pointlessness does is reinforce how massively harmless it is,

@Thanotos Omega  
>“then why remove it?”  
Because its another thing that people are going to need to dedicate time to adding/removing in order to keep up with the image’s score. It’s also another thing that people can intentionally or otherwise incorrectly add to the tags.
 
If we already have a means to get more accurate results (search score comparisons are instant/always up to date, unlike tags that need to be added/removed), then why leave up other tags that people have to patrol/that can be incorrectly added?

@Exedrus  
if the tag is as pointless as you say and not needed for searching then why remove it? all you did was point out how little the tags matter in a practical manner which isn’t my point,
 
Here is an idea, crate a new subset of tags called arbitrary, give them their own color hide them behind a click, and put all the less helpful tags into it, things like Upvotes Galore and Muffinshire is trying to murder us, there problem solved,
 
this isn’t some great enemy of the people, and dammit if some whining got Princess Twilight left in the tags then i won’t let this go, i will probably lose but, but i will be dammed if i just sit to the side while someone needlessly takes a few seconds of joy from people because of some saturday cartoon villain like hatred of other’s joy,

@Thanotos Omega  
>“The tags hurt no one”  
Well they don’t really hurt anyone, but they are kind just another annoying thing that some people needs to keep in check. And why keep something that people keep needing to add/remove to follow some fuzzy/arbitrary threshold for a property that we already have search syntax to catalog by? There’s already an easier way to get exactly the same functionality.
 
I’ve also found it annoying that people sometimes just throw this tag on images they assume will get a lot of upvotes. Or they’ll forget to remove it when they copy the tags over for an edit. I kinda see it as just another little niggling thing that people can forget about/mess with, and then we wind up with mistagged images…