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@Atlas_66
you can stop hiding and just say it out loud: I FULLY SUPPORT WAR AND RUSSIAN IMPERIALISM

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Not Russian propaganda, but in general, any starna has propaganda)) I don’t watch TV myself, I look at the facts, I personally talked with a friend of Brony who personally lives in Crimea, and who said that his whole family and he himself supported Russia in 2014 .
What about the government, does it do good or bad things? well .. like in any other country, the government does both good and bad things))
For example, I don’t support Putin’s policy in everything, I don’t like a lot of things, but .. I fully support the peaceful accession of Crimea, this was the choice of the Crimeans, and that’s all was legally correct, all according to the laws of the UN.
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By the way.. There is British territory in the Indian Ocean, this territory belongs to Mauritius, almost all UN member states think the same, and in general there was some kind of UN Supreme Court that said that yes, Britain, you must return the Chagos Archipelago to Mauritius because it belongs to them, and in 2019 this decision was made.
And the UK said - No, this is our military base, go take it away, and like this is the legal situation, on the one hand there is a court, on the issue of “occupation” of all the garbage, who claims against whom.
Every time someone says that Russia has some kind of territorial possessions, one can remember how Turkey occupied northern Cyprus, or how Great Britain does not give Mauritius the land that is rightfully hers.
What do you say to that, what sanctions were imposed against Britain? why is everyone silent about this? (」°ロ°)」
meddling with the politics in other countries, and spreading false propaganda.
  • Are you talking about the United States? which has resumed itself as the world’s policeman and which imagines itself that it can get into the affairs of other countries?)
    Now is not the 90s, and Russia and China have their own geopolitical interests, so the United States has to reckon with them (^^)♡
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I’m not going to get into a detailed debate here, as I don’t think I’m well prepared for it. The Russian propaganda is strong, and there is a vocal minority in other countries who will support it and justify its aggressive tendencies. I just hope most people won’t believe them. I don’t have anything against the Russian people, it’s the government that does bad things like attacking other countries to grab their territory, meddling with the politics in other countries, and spreading false propaganda. Maybe someday Russia will change for the better, but I don’t think it will happen anytime soon.
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Well .. in general, Crimea is historically Russian land, which was inherited thanks to Catherine II during the Russian-Turkish war.
But I am not appealing to historical lands, this is a very weak argument.
Historically, California is the territory of Mexico, and the United States is the territory of Britain)) And what’s next? no, I am not appealing to the historicity of the territories.
But, there is a Kosovo precedent and the right of the nation to self-determination, which is in the UN Charter.
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@PawelS
Brace yourself.
Around 2014-2015 they talked like Nikita Khrushchev gave Crimea to Ukraine.
Nowdays some talk like that man was Lenin who split Russia to Russia and Ukraine, so such country like Ukraina does not exist :)
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I’ll just point out that the “Anschluss of Crimea” breaks the Budapest Memorandum,
  • Firstly, the Budapest memorandum was indeed signed on the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine in exchange for the fact that Russia recognizes Ukraine within its borders, although this demarcation was never completed to the end.
    Secondly, it was never fully rosified, that is, the Budapest memorandum did not come into full permanent force. Thirdly, even if it entered into full force, there is such a famous “Kosovo pridident” when in 2008 the Republic of Kosovo declared its independence and in response to this Serbia demanded international legal proceedings, then all Western countries began to recognize the Republic of Kosovo. So, a trial was held in the international court of the UN to which the Security Council partially delegated the powers of a recommendatory body, where it was stated that in the case of Kosovo, the universal right of the nation to self-determination applies, that is, in the case of the realization of the right of the nation to self-determination or the right of the people living in a certain territory, it is implemented in circumvention of all other domestic legislation, bilateral agreements, multilateral agreements or other norms of international law, for example, on the inviolability of the borders of a state.
and there is an UN resolution that confirms it’s an illegally occupied territory.
  • Legal frontier aspects of international politics, what do we have in modern world politics is the only body that makes a binding decision? United Nations Security Council.
    Is there a Security Council resolution recognizing Crimea as part of Ukraine and making joining Russia illegal? No) Yes, thanks to the right of veto from Russia, but the right of veto from Russia and its contiunity from the USSR received in the 90s comes from the concept of four and then five police officers who are winners in World War II, and the creation on the basis of Nuremberg and victory in this war of the united nations.
    Therefore, this is the only legal topic, is there a clearly regulated legal procedure for the recognition by other countries of one territory as part of another country? No, there is no such regulated procedure.
    Well, what can I say, everything is in favor of Russia, Crimea is part of Russia legally and in fact.
    Nothing personal, this is international politics (:
I’m not sure if it’s a good place for an international law debate,
  • I agree with you, so I propose to disperse) we can endlessly debate on the Internet. But .. everything is decided by the inhabitants of Crimea, and they made their choice in favor of Russia, well, in Crimea, no one has ever spoken Ukrainian language, there, historically, people have always associated themselves with Russians (:
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@PawelS
Crimea is a part of the Russian Federation both legally according to the legislation of the Russian Federation and due to the fact that it is located on this territory of the administrative bodies of the Russian Federation, and from the point of view of the interpretation of international law on the right of a nation to self-determination.
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