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@CORDZ2000
Who said Starlight and others have to be like mothers to Sprout? They’re not gonna be like Phyllis who only pays attention to her son when he is needed and only think of stopping him when things get too bad, even avoiding her responsibility of teaching Sprout. Most of them would probably stop him right at the start when he wears a dictator outfit. They have the experience that Sprout’s mother doesn’t have and well, aren’t actually his mothers so they wouldn’t pamper him like a mother would. Actually, I think both Trixie and Tempest would be really good teaching Sprout too. Both kind of have a bit of similarities with Sprout, Trixie with the fact that both she and Sprout are envious of someone more successful than them and Tempest with the whole becoming a dictator thing. And they’re both pretty tough ladies so they’ll probably be pretty rough and motherly pampering probably won’t happen.(I really don’t see Sunset Shimmer pampering someone like a mother either. It doesn’t fit her character.) Plus, we also have Stygian who is also a dude. He could be a pretty father-like teacher as well. Not saying you’re biased, but not all female characters are mother like and we have more than one male reformed character.
And I mean if Discord really is going to teach Sprout, he just has to give him the list I already commented:
  1. Don’t get tempted by a monkey centaur thing with horns just because it knows how to say the word “friendship” and betray the cute yellow pony who tries her best to defend you the entire time.
  2. Don’t throw a hissy fit just because: Your friend has another friend, you have to hang out with other people to play Dungeons and Dragons, and you weren’t invited to the opening of a school.
  3. In the event which you do throw a hissy fit against a school, don’t summon a bugbear to chase the students to near death and insult the substitute principal like a douche.
  4. Do not, I repeat, do not gather other villains to create a challenge for your future leader, especially without careful supervision and close attentions toward said villains.
Just remember if you ever promised to take down a villain specifically for somepony dear to you, don’t ironically break that promise by siding with that villain instead lol
CORDZ2000
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@hironakamura
Honestly I think they kind of did it already. Discord actually helped motivate Twilight sometimes and he did it pretty well. He was like a more chaotic good mentor or advisor to Twilight that pushes her to do the right thing.(Even What About Discord did it pretty well even though Discord gaslighted Twilight. Three’s A Crowd was just Discord being a dick though) I really wish Discord did that more often instead of all the “Discord is being a dick” episodes, especially after being screwed over by Tirek which seriously disappointed me. I actually wished really hard he was just tricking Tirek or something especially since he made a point about doing it for Fluttershy. Discord is pretty fucked over by the writers but nah, I get kinda mad everytime I see his face and I’d rather focus my anger on something that isn’t real.
I honestly also have a headcanon about the finale that doesn’t hurt Discord’s image and make him too overpowered. Just have him spy on the villains instead of pretending to be Grogar. And either Grogar knows he has been on their tails and suck his powers with the bell, or Grogar is actually more powerful than him because he actually created him, or both. That would actually explain Discord’s origin and makes sense because Grogar was said to have created monsters. Then either Discord only has teleportation left or he runs away like in canon and tells everypony everything. This way Grogar would be real and be shown how great of a threat he really is. And it’s a better end for Discord. He may have failed but he tried his best to catch the bad guys. I’d say his redemption would be complete if that had actually happened. Maybe I’d be less mad if I only think about this headcanon when I see Discord, but too bad, the canon still exists and that still makes me mad.
Yeah ill admit that having him spy on the villains would have worked just fine instead of having him make a huge mistake for those who saw it as a final nail in the coffin who already were on the fence with him. I do see what they were going for with him being grogar though, trying to deconstruct his being the trickster mentor. I do think that it is a interesting concept maybe shouldn’t have had it at the end of the show, at the end of his arc as we dont see what character development comes from this. And could have been used to have him grow as a better teacher or not let his arrogance get in the way and think things through more. I do think that it still does show character development on some level despite how one may feel about the actions he took…
The reason that i said that he would be fine teaching sprout is because of the fact that equestria is still around in the future and discord would grow more and more over time. Starlight and the other reformed characters are like mothers and he already has had a mommy that he got attached to, pampering him wouldn’t work for sprout. He needs a more rougher hand a dad if u will a sink or swim. And being a trickster, sprout would learn to think outside of the box with discord and become smarter. Discord will probably troll him too lol, so he’ll have to control his more negative emotions like envy to succeed with his lessons.
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@Mediocre-Grimm
Heck, he doesn’t even behave well around the Mane Six, making the Smooze drown them like a douchebag because they wanted to protect Tree Hugger and Fluttershy from his childish tantrum for example.
Can we just say Discord is just a very ill-behaved pet that Fluttershy has to keep an eye on and call it a day? I’m sure Discord would love to be Fluttershy’s pet anyway lol
Mediocre-Grimm

His’good intentions’ don’t justify anything he’s tried to do. He’s a villain who switched sides. He hasn’t actually changed how he behaves around people who aren’t the Mane Six.
Butters Stotch
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@hironakamura
Honestly I think they kind of did it already. Discord actually helped motivate Twilight sometimes and he did it pretty well. He was like a more chaotic good mentor or advisor to Twilight that pushes her to do the right thing.(Even What About Discord did it pretty well even though Discord gaslighted Twilight. Three’s A Crowd was just Discord being a dick though) I really wish Discord did that more often instead of all the “Discord is being a dick” episodes, especially after being screwed over by Tirek which seriously disappointed me. I actually wished really hard he was just tricking Tirek or something especially since he made a point about doing it for Fluttershy. Discord is pretty fucked over by the writers but nah, I get kinda mad everytime I see his face and I’d rather focus my anger on something that isn’t real.
I honestly also have a headcanon about the finale that doesn’t hurt Discord’s image and make him too overpowered. Just have him spy on the villains instead of pretending to be Grogar. And either Grogar knows he has been on their tails and suck his powers with the bell, or Grogar is actually more powerful than him because he actually created him, or both. That would actually explain Discord’s origin and makes sense because Grogar was said to have created monsters. Then either Discord only has teleportation left or he runs away like in canon and tells everypony everything. This way Grogar would be real and be shown how great of a threat he really is. And it’s a better end for Discord. He may have failed but he tried his best to catch the bad guys. I’d say his redemption would be complete if that had actually happened. Maybe I’d be less mad if I only think about this headcanon when I see Discord, but too bad, the canon still exists and that still makes me mad.
Also for the record, what you said what Discord might have done is absolutely terrifying and manipulative. If you’re trying to argue about Discord’s alignment and how good he is, you’re really doing a poor job.
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@Wayneponeth
That’s the problem with an omnipotent character. The writers didn’t know how to use Discord as an Odin/Gandalf arch-type character. Its ok if he plays tricks or jokes or places their lives in danger as long as the characters learn something in the end that makes them stronger. Even Yoda made Luke go into a cave to face his darkside and his fears. Does that make Yoda a bad guy? You’re hating on a character when its not his fault he’s written badly.
hironakamura
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@Mediocre-Grimm
How do you know Discord hasn’t destroyed the g4 universe several times already but nobody knows because he just undoes it and no one in universe is the wiser.
The problem with Discord is he’s omnipotent. At least with Q in Star Trek, he was a member of his species from the Q continuum. So he still answered to other Qs. Discord is a unique creature. He doesn’t really answer to anything. If he breaks something and then restores it in a way that no one even ever knew it was broken, what would be the difference?
Butters Stotch
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@Background Pony #199B
Does that mean Starlight needs to relapse multiple times to get better treatment? Does she need to brainwash more ponies for people to care and then next time she can do something good to even things out? The funny thing is, every time Starlight Glimmer uses magic to do anything, even helping, she is practically crucified for “abusing her powers.” When she used her magic to banish Discord from hurting the students more, people obviously only focus on her using her powers instead of her trying to protect kids. She can literally sneeze and people will rage about how she is OP or whatever. So no, I don’t think people would react any differently if she was like Discord. I mean I’ve literally seen people pissed off when Starlight only made a cameo. If she actually did something like Discord did, people would probably go “She is a menace! She is dangerous! She should literally die!”.
The thing is, Starlight Glimmer post reformation actually shows that she cares about changing herself, because she would feel remorse, regret, fear, and sadness a lot of times. With Discord however, we don’t get all that. All we know about him is that he likes to be chaotic and cause trouble, but he never really shows much vulnerability. When he does, it’s usually because he got duked himself. And no, looking sad for like a few seconds isn’t enough because he always go back to no regret afterward.(Like I said, the audacity to ask for a throne even though he literally almost doomed the world.) We don’t get to see the more vulnerable side of Discord. The only time is with Discordant Harmony and even then that isn’t about his past actions. We don’t get to see Discord actually feeling anything for his actions, or the period of him feeling it is extremely short. It’s like he has Aesop amnesia every second. With Starlight I actually feel sorry for her and want to forgive her because she actually has feelings. With Discord I just wanna punch him in the face because he is annoying. When Discord only shows his strongest, or more fittingly, more chaotic side, it ironically shows him to be the weakest.
@hironakamura
The problem is he doesn’t. I’m sorry but all I see of Discord is him tricking, hurting, and manipulating others. Or he is extremely wishy-washy. One time he is actually really good and another time he sends someone to potential death scenario. He isn’t exactly a good person when he actually tried to kill children? I suppose they should feel lucky he doesn’t want to destroy the world as we know it. Does being a tyrant count as being a good person? And what about the time he actually almost cause destruction of Equestria twice? Where was his time reversal power? Taken away? I thought he is all powerful and incredible. Why is this lord of chaos so damn easy to manipulate himself? Does that mean he is actually Fluttershy’s pet? Discord is a dog that will only behave if he gets his treats or master needs to restrain him. If only he is always a good boy and doesn’t betray his master to a random monkey centaur thing who knows how to say the word “friend.” If we actually admit Discord is Fluttershy’s pet and is on a leash, then I’ll shut up.
This also further proves my point with Starlight Glimmer? What? It’s only not abusing powers because he can reverse it? Because he can wipe memories? Well I guess since Starlight Glimmer knows how to time travel she should exempt from every criticism ever. She could just go back in time to make everything not happen. The fact that she doesn’t do it means she is also a really good pony. Does lesser being just have to be responsible while the all omnipotent lord of chaos gets to do whatever he wants? Because he is really, really powerful? Uncle Ben and Spider-man be damned. Guess great power doesn’t come with great responsibility. By this logic, I guess if people are offended by my comments, I could always ask the mods to delete them. But since I want to be judged for my own words, I must be a saint.
Okay, this is probably the longest comment I’ve ever made. I just can’t help it. Honestly of all the points to convince me to give Discord a break, saying that he can just abuse his power and excusing that actually made me dislike him more and want to continue criticizing him even more now. Thanks for giving me the drive. :D
hironakamura
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@Wayneponeth
Discord’s at that level where he can’t really do anything he cannot undo. If he somehow accidentally kills something, he can just bring it back. If the memory is traumatic, he can wipe the memory. The thing about doing bad things in society is “can you correct them.” If you cannot correct them then you have to “pay for it” some how. Discord can always correct whatever he does so he’s this character in the story that only really needs the desire to be good in order to actually be a good person.
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@Wayneponeth
Part of the reason she didn’t get it is cause her reformation was rushed and quick.
I don’t have a problem with Starlight, but I think if her reformation was like discord’s, Maybe she could get the special treatment.
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@CORDZ2000
Nah, I’d rather have someone like Starlight Glimmer, Sunset Shimmer, or Princess Luna to be Sprout’s advisor. I realize no matter how I argue you’d go back to “Discord only wanted to spend time with them. He didn’t need to apologize because he changed. He has not matured yet.(He literally asked for a throne like a little kid after betraying Equestria to Tirek) He makes mistakes and doesn’t know right and wrong.(Even though you know, he does. That’s why he’d think Fluttershy would be afraid he’s different from her.)” Discord will always be the perfect little angel that can do no wrong in your eyes, so what’s the point, right?
I admit maybe I’ve been really harsh but honestly part of it is because of the unfair mistreatment toward Starlight Glimmer who did try her best to change and I’m tired of everyone getting defensive everytime I say anything negative about Discord like he truly is the precious little baby that you just should not criticize. I do admit he has some genuinely sweet moments after his reformation but he still has regressed multiple times and it doesn’t mean he is completely clean and deserves no consequences whatsoever. He was still allowed to whisper into princesses’ ears even though he literally almost doomed Equestria. That alone tells me that Discord has special privilege, even in canon. Where was this privilege for Starlight Glimmer? Do you know she has less appearances in season 8 and 9? Discord isn’t the worst, but he isn’t the best. He’s not even really good in my opinion.
CORDZ2000
Solar Hero - Went above and beyond for the Solar Deity, drawing from the power of the sun itself to bring balance to the fight against the Lunar Insurrection (April Fools 2023).

Draconequues Lover zcord
@Wayneponeth
The tirek situation was earlier in their relationship. After being betrayed by tirek he realized what truly matter. Which is why when fluttershy says ‘don’t do it we aren’t worth it’. Discord says oh but u are fluttershy, your the pony who taught me that friendship is magic is him basically saying that she js worth more than all the magic in equestria.
He completely changed himself because he wanted fluttershy to feel comfortable, he offered to host the tea party himself because he was afraid he was taking advantage of her
Hospitality. He put himself in danger in evil bug territory without any powers to save her. Sprout and discord will be fine.
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@CORDZ2000
I’m not saying he doesn’t care about Fluttershy. I’m saying Fluttershy isn’t the most thing he cares about. He cares more about messing with others than Fluttershy. Fluttershy is his number 2. Remember, he only knew Fluttershy was captured by the changelings because Starlight Glimmer told him so. If he really does care about her that much, wouldn’t he realize Fluttershy wasn’t herself already?
And how about another point since you asked for it? When Discord caught Tirek, he told him he was especially doing it for Fluttershy. Well, what did he do? He betrayed her. I thought he wanted to defeat Tirek for Fluttershy. What happened? Does he really care about Fluttershy more than anything else?
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@hironakamura
You’re right. That’s not bullying. That’s attempted murder. Maybe I didn’t make myself clear. He summoned a bugbear to chase a group of young students, literal children, into complete exhaustion and continue to tell them to run despite Sandbar begging him to stop. Yona tripped and the bugbear was almost ready to sting her, with Discord literally doing nothing to stop it. She would have been dead or seriously injured if Starlight didn’t stop it. Yeah of course he can just turn back time or whatever but does that change anything? He tortured a bunch of kids. That’s literally him abusing his powers and that’s not even useful because that didn’t stop him from being a complete bitch twice to Tirek and the 2 other villains he got together. If only he was actually useful when he was the one who caused the problem. Oh well.
Honestly all of this just proves how biased people are toward Discord. He’s done so many terrible things and I try so hard to explain why he doesn’t deserve this much defense, but people will always find some way to justify his actions. Now I even have “I was treated like this in real life so he is not so bad” as a defense. No offense to your father but maybe that’s not the best way to teach things and what Discord has done isn’t exactly okay either. And then suddenly abusing powers is okay when that’s the same reason people criticize Starlight Glimmer so much? The bias toward Discord over Starlight is seriously apparent. We’d rather let him abuse his powers and get away with things than say that maybe, just maybe he deserves some sort of consequence after every one of his actions. Instead, he asked for a throne after betraying the world, gets apologized to after trying to kill children, and gets to tell the two princesses what to do after dooming the world the second time. I’m sorry, but Discord deserves punishments and not all these excuses for everything he has done, no matter how powerful he is.
CORDZ2000
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Draconequues Lover zcord
@Wayneponeth
U cant use a one off episode to imply discord doesn’t care about fluttershy, because of the different writers in that case i can use plenty of episodes with the mane six to imply that they don’t care about the other or whatever which is often done with rainbow to say she isn’t loyal. U have to average it out and saying he cares about fluttershy more than anything else is undeniable.
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@Wayneponeth
If Discord is really as powerful as he is, I don’t think anyone can actually die or get hurt with him around. I could write hime to just turn back time or revive the dead or whatever.
Wanna know how I learned to swim? My dad threw me at the deep end of the pool. Lol. That’s how things were back in the 80’s. We’re raised tough. Kids are so soft these days. They think a character’s a bully just for yelling at some other character.
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@CORDZ2000
@hironakamura
Yeah, he’d probably give up most things for Fluttershy, except for a chance to mess with others. He literally sent her to that dangerous fake friendship quest because he wanted to screw with Starlight Glimmer. Again his real priority is messing with people’s lives, not Fluttershy. And stop with the disappearing defense, he can be chaotic without harming others and acting all smug and full of himself. Will not summoning a bugbear to chase innocent students to near death and yelling at an exhausted Sandbar make him disappear?
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Literal bullying.