@WaynePonePone
Prove it. When Celestia gave Twilight her power, there was no downside

@Background Pony #5F0F
Trixie didn’t expect the Amulet to kill her either, but everything has a side effect, which is especially severe on something that grants you power so easily.

@WaynePonePone
No, just because you’re not buying a new console for your health doesn’t mean you expect that new console to literally kill you.

@Background Pony #97FB
She didn’t exactly buy it for the good of her health. She did it to gain more power and take revenge on Twilight. She knew what she was getting.

@WaynePonePone
how does she know it ’s a dangerous artifact? Sellers always exaggerate in order to sell more expensive.

@Hyperjade  
It’s all good dude, I get how passionate people get about these things.  
Trixie’s mistreatment after her first appearance was over the top and exaggerated because Luke I said, it’s a kids cartoon and they simply wanted to justify her going to such an extreme as to use an evil artefact to get back at Twilight.
 
And I appreciate how passionately you feel about how this character’s treatment even if I disagree. Yet I don’t have that same kind of experience as you or just don’t see if Trixie’s treatment as that bad. After all Trixie does bounce back I with her apology tour and continues to have shows thereafter without any hassle. Though I do agree that would have been an interesting episode to explore, if they wanted to take it that far.

@Spoonlol  
I think I was getting ahead of myself and pushing my argument too far forward due to my discomfort, and I apologize for that.
 
What I want to say is that, while arguing about how culpable Trixie is in her first appearance isn’t going to get us anywhere, how responsible she actually is doesn’t begin to justify how horribly she was treated thereafter.
 
From personal experience, when a group large enough to encompass most if not everything you know suddenly turns their back on you for insubstantial or (in my case) nonexistent reasons, that kind of hostility and lack of people to turn to on such a ridiculous scale does serious damage to people. It makes it near impossible to trust others, distances you even after everyone else pretends it’s over. Makes you quietly angry and unable mentally to trust those around you enough to talk about it.
 
You don’t easily recover from that kind of thing. And the shows complete unwillingness to address just how unacceptable Trixie’s treatment was in universe was extremely uncomfortable for me personally, especially because she continued going through more awful stuff afterward, like Road to Friendship in which Starlight’s behavior is literally emotional abuse. Ultimately my need to defend her comes from the reality that she’s been through too much to be justifiable by her actual wrongdoing and I let that affect how I analyze situations involving her.
 
I hope we can at least agree that Trixie deserved better than her severe mistreatment going unacknowledged. Heck, that would have made for a very good episode of the show, teaching kids that things like that can hurt you deeper than you realize and that the first part of healing from those things is to have someone acknowledge that the way you were treated wasn’t okay. Do you know how many people aren’t okay because people around them just don’t acknowledge the ways they’ve been hurt? When they pretend that it’s no longer worth considering now that it’s over?

@DarkHooves  
I very much disagree with this, a lot of the original boast buster’s stuff not including the Ursa was Trixie’s doing. Performance or not trixie knew me what she was doing.  
In the beginning Starlight struggled with how to socialise and interact without making things worse, but she never did those things with the intention of making things worse.  
They both done things that make situations worse, and most of the time they try better themselves from those experiences

@Hyperjade  
You gotta remember that season 1 was a very different beast to the later season and Trixie being brought in as the antagonist was more to teach the Twilight and the audience about boating as such.  
Though keep in mind while yes flashy and larger then life but that usually does t involve calling out the audience and boasting about how better you at everything. Unless of course you go to certain types of comedians but I digress.
 
Also while yes Trixie was “humiliated” during that ran her out of several towns her actions (while indirect) did bring a monster to the town. That kinda of news can break a career, not to mentions Trixie’s own ego probably played a part in her over exaggerating the whole thing.
 
Like before I wouldn’t say that these characters are poorly written, they’re just written for a younger audience. Not saying that writer’s shouldn’t try when writing for gives just that you always gotta take everything with a pinch of salt on shows like this.

@DarkHooves  
That’s actually not true. While Ursa Minor was definitely not in Trixie’s control, she bought the alicorn amulet knowing full well it is a dangerous artifact that even the shopkeeper warned her against buying. She definitely had deliberate intentions. On the other side, Starlight never meant for Silverstream to go into the Everfree Forest all by herself after telling her she needs to be with her friends. She was caught in a hard place that in no way was she in control of.  
I’m not trying to side with any character. I like both Starlight and Trixie and think their relationship is one of the best things from the show, but it’s not true and fair to say Trixie is never at fault while Starlight is always at fault.

@Spoonlol  
All of Trixie’s wrongdoings was accidental.  
All of Starlight’s wrongdoings was deliberate.

That’s rich coming from Trixie of all characters

@Spoonlol  
I think I misunderstood your comment before, to a degree. I thought you were implying that it’s applicable to both of them ‘equally’, which annoyed me since I’ve watched a lot of people do that and I eventually had to speak up somewhere. I apologize for the misunderstanding.
 
I consider Trixie to be poorly written mostly because her first appearances get undermined by really weird writing decisions like having her become society’s whipping girl for being a liar to such a ridiculous extreme, then making her be literally possessed for all the monstrous stuff she does with the amulet, then expecting the audience to look at this character and consider her to be far more antagonistic than she was. All the little stuff in between too, like her being a literal stage preformer whose actual job is to be larger than life and flashy who entertains with exaggerated stories and expect those to be seen as bad qualities just because the ‘heroes’ were the ones who got their plots kicked for making problems of themselves, or the fact that the ‘warning’ she got when buying the Amulet was vague AF and couldn’t have possibly prepared her for the tyrannical caricature she became, and expecting the audience to think that warning was enough to make Trixie more complicit in what happened.
 
She’s better written afterward, to an extent, because they had enough time to actually characterize her, but all of that does make the slapstick and stuff like Starlight’s actual emotional abuse far more uncomfortable to watch because she’s been through so much already. Honestly that just might be a ‘me’ thing because the way this shows kind of fine with the ridiculously excessive mistreatment she went through and didn’t even bother to address the kind of pain that would do lasting damage to someone’s psyche made me uncomfortable.
 
Meanwhile, Starlight really needed less ‘actual sociopath’ in her system, and a better motivation. Honestly, most of her problems as a character vanish if she were to explicitly be seeing a psychiatrist and getting help or something. Portray it as an actual process of self improvement.
 
It’s understandable to like them for being flawed characters that are more down to earth, but they really needed more care put into them, especially in a show in which the themes and lessons are meant to be applicable to real life to children.

@Hyperjade  
I feel that using the Trixie is written poorly as an excuse for her own actions is earlier episodes and even some of this episode is somewhat redundant since by your logic you can say that about both them. I would consider “deliberately pushed narrative” to be bad writing as it stands but with that said I just straight up disagree with you that either of them are poorly written.
 
I think both of them are written fine and my comment was more about how, yes while Starlight was out of line in this episode, it was only the previous season where Trixie really messes up big time with the map and implies that she didn’t really learn anything.  
But honestly that’s why I and a lot of others like these characters, cos they’re a little more down to earth and less goody goody then most of the mane six.  
But also the main difference is that Starlight does get better, she does take every bad thing she does and try make it better, so if anything I’d say Starlight should be the one saying this to Trixie. But I digress

@Spoonlol  
I mean, I guess? But it applies to Starlight in a more important way. Trixie’s been a poorly written character from day one, who deserved better care when it comes to narrative. Even if the writers wanted her to be antagonistic, they caused a problem by making Trixie’s suffering completely eclipse her actual wrongdoing and then literally reduced her actual responsibility for the events she was involved with. Her constant relapses are because of a lack of care for how they write her.
 
Starlight’s relapses seem to exist almost as a form of spite for criticism of how she’s written. Her problem is caused by the deliberately pushed narrative of ‘what matters is that you meant well’, and what she does to Trixie in this episode, literal emotional abuse, is the consequence of that push, which is a much bigger problem than just being poorly written.
 
Starlight needed to be better. Trixie needed writers that cared.

It’s funny cos this can apply to both/either of them

your not sorry for what you did you just sorry you got caught

Hey, I’ve been meaning to rewatch Bojack Horseman. It’s gonna be different now that I’m older.

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