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The invasion was a failure. Our troops were completely wiped out in a single blow. Even I could never fathom the power behind Alicorn’s magic. She and her incompetent captain not only ejected us from the castle, but scattered the entire Changeling army, including our warrior Queen, across all of Equestria.
 
I don’t know where I landed. My body is broken. My will is crushed. And worse, this Alicorn magic; It pierces me deep inside. This burning, aching feeling swelling in my chest is almost unbearable. These foreign feelings overwhelm my mind and body, making it act on its own accord. Water leaks from my eyes and I taste of blood on my tongue.
 
Time passes, I’m not sure how long. I must have passed out for I see light shining through the trees. Its warmth is little comfort to me. I hear a voice, a pony is near by. I shudder at the thought of being found now, vulnerable as I am, unable to fight or defend myself. I have no honor.
 
The voice spoke again, this time I could make out the word, “Mister? Can you hear me?” From the sound of it, it was a hatchling… or at least the equivalence for an Equestrian. Maybe if I ignore it, it will go away.
 
“I’m.. I’m going to go get my mom.. she’s a lifeguard so maybe..” Mom? An Adult.
 
“-oo. No. Don’t.” I wheezed out. It hurt to breath. I struggled against the dead weight of my body. I needed to leave, it wasn’t safe.. it wasn’t… I don’t remember what happened after that.
 
It all went black.
 
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@Kappe  
I agree, it feels really forced when everything we know about them says they are one hive and Chrysalis is there queen. It would also make the changeling episode that’s coming up feel really short sighted like only these changelings can be good and only these changelings should be considered worth allying with while the others all lost causes, personally the idea of color coded separate hives sounds like a huge copout to me.
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@ewilles  
IMO, I think conveniently color-coded hives is a super lazy idea and goes directly against Chrysalis calling herself “the queen of the changelings” in ACW.
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@Blissey1  
If the writers of the show have some competence behind them (mind you this is still directed towards children’s audiences), they should embrace some of these ideas. Personally I like the approach of various hives and colors associated with what they prefer to feed on. In the end, changelings all want to feed on love, and it would make sense if they worked towards willingly given love to satiate their hunger.
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Color comes into play in their story, where blue changelings feed on loyalty, reds on duty, yellows courage, pinks happiness, and violets…well, I’m sure you can guess.
 
huh, sounds a lot like my own changeling fic, A Novel Tale
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@ewilles  
Chrysalis wanted her kind to be able to live outside of the shadows and wanted them to be able to feed freely I think that’s a noble goal, it would have been better to try for an alliance rather than an invasion but it’s understandable to think why the ponies wouldn’t accept them, Chrysalis obviously cares for subjects and I think if the ponies showed they are willing to accept them she’d come around to the idea especially if her hive wanted to give it a try.
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I would recommend reading the fanfic known as Shifting Melodies, which you can find on fimfiction (NSFW warning, or at least the addition of the lost stanzas portion of it.) The author created a really plausible society structure for changelings. Color comes into play in their story, where blue changelings feed on loyalty, reds on duty, yellows courage, pinks happiness, and violets…well, I’m sure you can guess.
 
Overall, I hope that the show doesn’t through away the opportunity to bring changelings into a better light. Should they do this, I hope they reveal Chrysalis as nothing more than the changeling equivalent of Prince Blueblood, and that the changelings can atone for the damage she did.
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So, that would imply that the mind-control thing is separate from the weakened, zombie-like state.
 
Zombie like state? you mean tired? He was being mind controlled and feeding left him drained hence why the bridesmares are still perky they didn’t get fed on.
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“This burning, aching feeling swelling in my chest is almost unbearable.”
It sounds like this is this little guy’s first time feeling his own heart beat, and love. I love the implications in this paragraph, that he’s been separated from the hive mind and has been forcibly turned into an individual.
 
That’s actually exactly what I was trying to portray when writing it. When I continue the story, I’ll try to explain it in more detail.
 
Also…  
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I believe he’s going through this little number.
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This made me laugh so bad XD Its so truuuue!
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@Kappe  
Neutralizing the spell he’s under doesn’t indicate that it’s a mind control spell any more than her sharing magic with him would indicate that they’re siblings (which they’re clearly not - just stating that for rhetorical purposes) - it’s non sequitor.
 
However, the point on the Bridesmares is actually plenty valid.
 
But then again - were the bridesmares also zombie-like? No, rather, they still had enough strength and energy to go flying after a flower bouquet. So, that would imply that the mind-control thing is separate from the weakened, zombie-like state.
 
Cadence could’ve just as easily been using her magic to re-vitalize his drained emotions with her own.
 
 
>Implying implications intensify
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No, I’m getting at an uncertainty, but there is some implication in a negative direction. The reason the writers would do that would be to make the actions of the protagonists less morally ambiguous.
 
Also, rreaaaally wouldn’t say it’s tinfoil-hat crazy stretch to say her statement was an implication of that.
 
Ever since I took your place, I’ve been feeding off Shining Armor’s love for you. Every moment he grows weaker and so does his spell.
 
She’s been revealing everything, makes no mention of anything she’s been doing to Shining except feeding off of him, and it’s fairly typical to make statements that are connected right next to eachother, so this would mean that her feeding off of his love is connected to him growing weaker.
 
“I brought an umbrella. It didn’t rain at all.”  
“Get ready! This is gonna be great!”  
“I’m hungry. Is dinner almost ready?”  
“Get off the computer, you’ve been on it all day.”  
“I don’t got anything planned today. You free to go to the lake? It’s a bright and sunny day out.”
 
In fact that’s fairly normal of speech to make related statements next to eachother.
 
Sooooooo still not proven, but implied. And you just admitted why you’d be biased against realizing that it’s implied.
 
I personally think they don’t need love to survive, though, otherwise Chrysalis’ hive couldn’t have grown so big. I think she just wanted all that love magic to make herself more powerful - and she sure got powerful from Shining.
 
But, that’s also a headcanon, so, meh, just one that I think makes the most sense with what is real canon.
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@Cirrus Light  
To elaborate though on my first sentence, Chrysalis says the love draining makes Shining Armor weaker. That’s probably true, I myself like the idea that changeling feeding leaves the victim feeling weak or weary. And she says it weakens his spell. That’s also true, because his spell is powered by love.
 
Remember when Cadance runs to him, neutralizes the spell he’s under (again, that should be an indication he’s under mind control), and tells him to do his shield spell? He couldn’t. It wasn’t until Cadance replenished his love that he could do it again. So changeling feeding… harmful? Probably a little bit. Mind control-inducing and impossible for ponies and ‘lings to coexist? No.
 
Oh, and here’s some ponies from ACW that were definitely under a mind control spell, one very similar in appearance to Shining:
 
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@Cirrus Light  
Saying the show implies it is a massive stretch. Like, tinfoil hat fanfic levels of stretch.
 
Really, I get what you’re trying to get at, changelings not being inherently evil but still being biologically incapable of coexisting with ponies… but that really doesn’t make them any more interesting than if they were inherently evil. It’d be tragic, but tragic doesn’t automatically equal interesting. The options the show would have with them would still be extremely limited. And frankly, I watch the show because it’s cute and puts the warm fuzzy feeling in my heart, not because it’s tragic.
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@Kappe  
Actually, love kinda does come from the mind…
 
And again, Chrysalis actually doesn’t say anywhere that she did anything extra to drain his mind. In fact, she seems to even kind of imply that this just came as a result of her feeding off of him:
 
Ah, ah, ah. Don’t want to go back to the caves, now do you? Ever since I took your place, I’ve been feeding off Shining Armor’s love for you. Every moment he grows weaker and so does his spell. Even now, my minions are chipping away at it.
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To say it’s ambiguous actually works to your advantage, because taken what the show seems to imply, this seems to imply that it’s a direct result of feeding, which kind of makes sense if they gain power from it.
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@Cirrus Light  
She had him under a mind control spell. If draining someone’s love somehow zombifies their brain and allows you to have complete control over their actions, that is an incredible coincidence.
 
Love comes from the heart, not the mind. Or at least in cute light-hearted shows about ponies it should.
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@Pagan  
It didn’t kill Shining, but it pretty much drained his brain into a zombie-like state. Again, though, it may just be that it was something Chrysalis was intentionally doing so she could exert full control over him - but it could also be what happens to a pony who’s being fed off of. Canonically, it’s ambiguous.
 
And, lol, yeah, I’ve seen plenty of people argue about the canonical status of the comics. The show seems to ignore them, though.
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@Cirrus Light  
All I know is Chrysalis fed on Shinings love and he didn’t die and the changelings as we have seen are capable of reason so there is no reason a truce between the two couldn’t work.
 
Don’t take this the wrong way but when it comes to chrysalis the comics are complete garbage I haven’t seen a character so utterly ruined till IDW tried to write her.
 
I have my own headcanon for why Chrysalis is so spiteful towards ponies but it’s headcanon so I won’t get into it.
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Thing about ep. 100 is it might’ve just been “rule of funny” or something. Or maybe it didn’t know anyone there - it was like that guy that goes to weddings to eat the free food and everybody assumes that he’s someone else’s guest, lol. But in this case it came to feed on the love there :p
 
Which would imply that they can peacefully coexist. Or maybe it would’ve brain-drained them if it’d stuck around long enough. I dunno. Too little data to make many conclusions from.
 
And that’s the thing, though… A tragic fact of reality is that it will sometimes pit beings against eachother in mortal combat who wouldn’t really have any qualms in another situation. If changelings need to brain-drain ponies to live, then it doesn’t matter if they’re being selfless or if they do it for the love of their offspring, mates, queen, or whatever - it’s still a kill or be killed situation. Requiring you to die for them to live doesn’t necessarily make them evil, it just makes it so only one of you can come out alive.
 
It’d be best if that weren’t the case, though, and fortunately the fact that the Changelings got so big without ponies implies it to be so… (though in the comics they got that way by killing a species of adorable, g3-tier-loving sapient cats)
 
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Yeah we kinda let things get outta hand I personally just can’t demonize the changelings for their actions I always feel everything deserves another chance but if they fuck that up then yeah that’s when I could say their evil.
 
I still want to know the story behind matilda and that changeling it has to be interesting and probably complicated and I’m all about that.
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@Pagan  
But you said it, so it’s wrong :p
 
loljk, I hate that kind of bias.
 
I think I didn’t find it as convincing because phrased in that light it seems… Well, I question whether the changeling was actually invited, so I kind of disregarded it, but I really shouldn’t have because regardless, there was a docile changeling there that wasn’t attacking anypony. Apologies. Shouldn’t have overlooked it like that.