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“General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” - Ronald Reagan
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but that was under a Democrat
You, uh, left out a fairly important bit of exculpatory evidence there, amigo.
Also, you maybe might wanna try the whole “64 years before his time” routine on a family whose patriarch didn’t actively support an attempted fascist overthrow of the U.S. government in 1933 and later had his company’s assets siezed under the Trading With The Enemy Act for financially supporting Adolf Actual Hitler in 1942, ten months after we went to war. That’s not even getting into the fact that the Bush family fortune was originally built on illegal drug smuggling in the 1920s, or the fact that Dubya used his daddy’s political connections to displace an actual qualified officer candidate from the Air National Guard so he could dodge the Vietnam War draft by getting assigned to a Stateside unit full of senators’ sons; which post he promptly deserted before his tour was even up.
…Oh, but I’m terribly sorry– you were saying something about “a careful omertà”?
America funded a rebellion against a regime innately hostile to the US, and one that betrayed the principle of détente by invading Afghanistan, to the disgust even of Jimmy Carter.
In other news, we also ended up funding the murderous Maoists, the vicious Viet Minh and the Stalinist Soviet Union, but that was under a Democrat, so Certain Persons maintain a careful omertà about that.
George W Bush was far from a perfect President, but had he been President 64 years before his time, he would have opposed Germany’s re-militarization of the Rhineland even in an election year.
Beautiful XD
Politics strafes strange bedfellows.
And PLEASE note the “anymore” in that post. I’m fully aware America played a large part in their rises to power.
I would like to point out that we went to war with 2 of those, so no, they are not are bestie anymore.
I hope you feel you got your money’s worth out of that
I wrote angry letters to the editors of local newspapers about it, and as I recall at least one of them was published about a week before 9/11. I almost ( …almost ) started a couple of fistfights with jingoistic asshole Republicans in the following months by asking them how much of their tax dollars they thought the Taliban used to fund 9/11 thanks to Boy George’s generous donation to their international terrorism program.
Are you >implying that the Mujahideen, Osama Bin Ladin, and the proto-Taliban aren’t America’s besties?
Mary Shelley tried to warn us about crap like this all the way back in 1818.
@TexasUberAlles
would beam pretty pissed off when the government pisses away tax dollars on shit that isn’t for the general welfare of the nation (I.e. health, education, infrastructure, etc).While hillbe could be a troll I don’t think the background pony I also responded to was as well. The BP seemed like a sceptical, if ignorant, sort. Not that ignorance of Reagan’s sins is uncommon nowadays… which is about half the reason I countered hillbe’s talking points.
You caught me! I’ve only been on the internet since ‘95 - barely half my life. :(
However, I’m not entirely a stranger to the thought, “Sure this guy’s a troll, but what if someone believes him?!!1! I must educate the masses, lest they fall for his cunning rhetoric!” Of course, this approach establishes the troll as the person who does, indeed, define the conversation taking place, as opposed to a lunatic howling in the wind that nobody pays attention to.
How long have you been around that it hasn’t occurred to you that not every post addressed to a particular poster isn’t necessarily aimed at that poster? Most of the users here weren’t even alive during the Reagan administration and might not offhand know the difference between history and moonbattery; half the reason ideological windowlickers throw down shitposts is because they want to define the narrative.
Welcome, and congratulations on your first day on the internet!
Here’s a phrase that you’ll probably hear a lot: “Don’t feed the trolls!” What it means is: replying to people like hillbe is counterproductive, because it’s just what they want. They are “trolls” and when you get angry and react to their antics, you “feed” them.
Ronnie Raygun’s vaunted voodoo economics? Sure worked out well for the middle class, didn’t it?
@hillbe
Reagan was in charge for the vast majority of the time Operation Cyclone was in effect — i.e., the funding and suppling of the Afghan mujahideen and ensuring the Soviet Union lost the Soviet–Afghanistan war. Reagan could have just left them alone, to slog it out, and maybe we wouldn’t have Al’Qaeda and the Taliban today but just like with Hillary and Obama he had to pump money into the “little guy” despite knowing full well that the little guy largely consisted of religious fanatics who despised everything the West stands for. Seems Obama stands in good company. :^)
Maybe, but they did kidnap, torture, mutilate, and kill some 50,000 people. And that was only one of the terrorist organizations Reagan funded. El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaragua all suffered from terrorists funded by the U.S. under Reagan.
@Background Pony #EC96
Remember Iran–Contra? i.e., when he was selling arms to Iran in order to fund the Contras? Yeah. Reagan directly disobeyed congress in order to arm one enemy of the U.S. and fund the Contra terrorists.
Remember the crack epidemic of the ’80s? And the whole “war on drugs” that Reagan kicked into overdrive? Did you know that the Contras funnelled drugs into the U.S. under the watchful eye of the C.I.A.? That isn’t speculation, by the way. The C.I.A. had a big investigation done after these allegations surfaced and in the 623rd paragraph of the report it describes a cable from the C.I.A.’s Directorate of Operations dated October 22, 1982, describing a prospective meeting between Contra leaders in Costa Rica for “an exchange in [the United States] of narcotics for arms, which then are shipped to Nicaragua.” Considering the amount of stonewalling and evidence destroying that went on before the investigation began that this managed to slip the net is damning.
There’s a reason people in the know hold contempt in their heart for Reagan, and it’s because he deserves every bit of it.
@Background Pony #EC96
as crazy to me as saying Obama or Bush Jr. were helping terrorists
The Dubya regime gave 43 million American taxpayer dollars to the Taliban in 2001.
@ghostfacekiller39
Since he was
AmericanWhite, though, he was just a misguided young fellaFTFY
@hillbe
I’m having a sale on tinfoil hats, in case you’re interested.
Your so called freedom fighters don’t cut off your head for not joining the ‘club’
You really think you have a clue? manpads (stingers) to combat Mil 24s –Today it’s Obamas ISIS .once a bunch Syrian rebels now cutting of the heads of nonmuzlums .
That’s not an American thing, that’s a human thing. “Our guys are freedom fighters, their guys are terrorists,” you know?
You are correct, ISIS is a product of arms and support to old Syrian terrorists by Hillary & Obama—$2 million for Hillarys uranium via Canada with the Russians and Benghazi arms smuggling (retired FBI buddy info) lota dirt here with this POTUS
Same with Reagen - he armed an organization that was terrorist by definition for Cold War purposes or something, but Americans don’t acknowledge them as terrorists because of the simple fact they didn’t attack them.
I think he was trying to refer to the Iran-Contra affair, which isn’t exactly a fringe conspiracy theory. Many people just don’t like calling the Contras “terrorists”, because America approved of them.