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Ah, I see you’re using the ‘i’m taking my ball home so I win by default’ strategy.
Yeah, no, i really don’t care if you reply or not. I really don’t care if you don’t even read this - what i do care about is not letting the kind of stupid crap you spew stand unrefuted for others to see because yours is the worst kind of bullshittery.
>Yes, the teleportation spell and magic wings sure would seem to be the most useful spells. Of course you dismiss these being too hard to learn.
Well indeed I do dismiss them, because ‘ponies not wanting to learn them for various reasons’ falls upon occams razor as being a far simpler explanation for them not being in widespread use than ‘shit i made up in my own head to explain why ponies can’t do things that canon has not in any way, shape or form claimed they are prevented from doing’.
>Ever thought that maybe they are not hard to learn but rather impossible for a normal unicorn because they require a lot of magic that normal unicorns don’t have?
Well gee, I guess in your world the concept of ‘training’ doesn’t exist. Apparently where you live everyone is born, lives and dies in the exact same state of fitness with no deviation whatsoever regardless of lifestyle. I guess that explains why you view it as an impossibility that a unicorn could ever work out magically to improve their power in any way.
>They most likely use it daily. Why don’t they improve to the point where they can use it like Twilight?
You must use your arms and legs daily. Why can’t you pull buses with them like the worlds strongest men do? Perhaps it could be because you don’t want to do that with your life. Perhaps you’re more interested in learning the fine manipulation needed to sew or paint rather than the brute force needed to move a load. Or, y’know, you’re just an unfit lardass who can’t do either because you’ve never bothered to do anything of any difficulty in your life.
>Maybe you are one of those who haven’t really watched the show itself but just enjoy the fandom material more.
Right, lets get this shit out of the way right here - I’m not the one who didn’t even know where two of Twilight’s more recognizable spells (rock into top hat, apples to oranges) came from (though i admit i cited the second wrongly as from a Trixie ep, when it was actually Too Many Pinkie Pies).
Further you’ve chosen the cowardly tactic of discrediting your opposition by poisoning the proverbial well rather than actually refuting points - not that you’ve refuted anything anywhere else but still - which really only reinforces the evidence that you are, indeed, a twat. Specifically a twat who doesn’t know how to argue and doesn’t have anything to argue with even if you did.
>I’m not sure what you were after when you mentioned Rarity’s gem finding spell.
Oh, i’m sorry, did you already forget your earlier claim that “We never even see any normal unicorns ponies using spells or such.”?
I guess you did, since now you’re backtracking and using the non-canon claim of unicorns only knowing spells relating to their special talent to try and cover your ass.
Which, y’know, is irrelevant anyway since Rarity first used the spell a significant time before she received her cutie mark - which is abject proof that spells known has nothing to do with special talents.
>If we go with this all unicorns can learn any spells if they want -road then the same logic could be used with earth ponies and pegasi too as I said.
… how goddamn stupid are you? You’re seriously trying to claim this as a reason why unicorns can’t potentially learn whatever spells they wanted to study? My god, I thought idiots of your caliber normally died young from stupidity-related accidents but i guess I was mistaken.
Earth Ponies and Pegasi do not learn magic (at least not in any form a unicorn would be capable of) because they are not physically capable of it. It has nothing to do with time and effort, and your claim is literally akin to asking someone born blind from birth to go and paint the mona lisa. Holy crap, you whine that I might not know the show? This is like page one of ‘introduction to ponies’ right here.
>You also think about me headcanon which is kinda funny because in my point of view you are the one thinking his headcanon somehow overrides the real canon.
I think, frankly, that your headcanon is a festering pile of retarded sewage spewed forth from the diseased and hideously underused brainmeats of a below average lobotomy subject.
More importantly, however, it doesn’t fit any canon evidence, nor logical examination whatsoever - which is really why i think it should be shat upon with wild abandon.
You’re the one coming up with bullshit claims that unicorns with magic talents are the only ones who learn magic when we know this isn’t true because if this were the case then they wouldn’t be letting blank flanks apply would they?
Oops, sorry Twilight. Guess you were never going to be allowed into the school to begin with if it wasn’t for your sudden on-the-day manifestation of a magical talent. How lucky for you in the end then.
We also know it isn’t true because, hey, Luna doesn’t have a magical talent and she does alright with the spells. Celestia doesn’t have one either and she also does alright for herself.
My view, meanwhile, can be summed up with the simple statement of “Why would ponies learn magic they’re never going to use?” A statement answered with the logical result of “well, they probably wouldn’t.”
>Another thing I don’t quite get is why you got so worked up?
Because your reaction to ‘I think it makes more sense like this’ was ‘RAWR, RAWR, THAT’S ILLOGICAL. MY HEADCANONS IS TEH BESTEST.’ Wherupon you proceeded to provide me with a font of abject stupidity to play with. And of course your reaction to being torn apart was… mmm, well, more nonsensical bullcrap and a threat to take your ball and go home.
Now be a good boy and run along as you have stated you plan to do since we wouldn’t want you to actually have to think for once in your godforsaken life would we?
Yes, the teleportation spell and magic wings sure would seem to be the most useful spells. Of course you dismiss these being too hard to learn. Ever thought that maybe they are not hard to learn but rather impossible for a normal unicorn because they require a lot of magic that normal unicorns don’t have? Well all unicorns share that simple telekinesis spell. They most likely use it daily. Why don’t they improve to the point where they can use it like Twilight? The strenght of basic telekineses isn’t that strong. Sure it may differ from pony to pony but they can’t really lift anything too heavy. We have even seen a unicorn struggling to open a can with her magic. Imagine how useful that would be to carry heavy loads and construct buildings or in every day life. It’s a thing they already use a lot after all.
You’d think that unicorns in royal guard would take time to learn some spells that would help them in battle. But we never see them using any even in battle where they would be handy. Captain of the royal guard uses shield spells right? True, but it happens to be his special talent and in addition he’s Twilights brother and he too has rather great magical powers even if he can’t really learn new spells like Twilight.
I’m not sure what you were after when you mentioned Rarity’s gem finding spell. Maybe you are one of those who haven’t really watched the show itself but just enjoy the fandom material more. That of course would explain why you think unicorns are more powerful than they actually are. Anyway, gem finding is Rarity’s special talent. That gem finding spell is her special talent related spell. All unicorns share the basic telekinesis magic and in addition to that they can have something special talent related.
If we go with this all unicorns can learn any spells if they want -road then the same logic could be used with earth ponies and pegasi too as I said. It just would take so much time that they don’t bother etc. Or maybe all earth ponies can learn everythign that Pinkie does.
You also think about me headcanon which is kinda funny because in my point of view you are the one thinking his headcanon somehow overrides the real canon. This is how it will more than likely stay and neither of us will change our opinion. Can’t be helped right now. If it ever is shown or explained in the show itself that normal unicorns can learn different kind of spells then I’m ready to admit being wrong but until then, all the evidence seems to point the other direction.
I can’t help it if you think I’m a twat and I also don’t care. The last parts in my last message really were sarcasm. I wasn’t trying to “save” anything. Even I don’t think you read those parts and though I was seriously thinking that way.
Another thing I don’t quite get is why you got so worked up? I know Internet and ponies are serious business but you really shouldn’t take things so seriously.
Well this is the last reply you will get from me as I don’t want to spend any more time for this. Gonna unsubscribe from this comment section so if you reply, I’m not going to be reading it. You can think it of me giving up or something if it makes you feel less frustrated.
Have a nice day.
-Your beloved twat Haagel
>I’ve heard that argument before and it must be one of the most illogical ones there is.
Well you clearly have no goddamn grasp of basic logical concepts then, since you’re the one arguing that the reason we don’t see other use magic is because it’s completely locked off for them rather than because most don’t want to learn a wide range of it. Which, you know, would be a complete violation of the occams razor principle for a start as you favor the more complicated explanation over the simple one.
>Seriously now, where did you even pull those?
Try Twilight’s list of spells that she herself was learning during both Trixie episodes. Spells she claimed were part of some kind of basic list of spell archetypes.
>Yeah sure why would Rarity for examply learn spells that would give her some self defence?
Because they’re not easy? Because she has too little time to do so what with running her own business? Because she’s tried before and wasn’t very good at them? There are hundreds of reasons which make more logical sense than ‘because she’s locked out of them thanks to her special talent, the thing she is good at which has never at any point ever been shown or implied to have a limiting factor on any other thing a pony does, being the wrong one’.
>It’s not like they would have been useful when diamond dogs kidnapped her.
Well since you admit they wouldn’t have been useful why would she bother to learn them? Or, no, my bad, you just have a poor grasp of english - clearly you meant to imply that such spells would be of use in such a situation. To which I would point out that she’s never needed them before and especially after NMM, where she did not need such things, she really has little incentive to learn any.
Plus, hey, show me where we’ve seen battle magic outside of ‘basic blasting’ and ‘shields’ in canon anyway. Surely Twilight, element of magic, can show us what Rarity could be learning… oh, wait, no. All Twi, our largest source of magic information in the show, ever showed us was a whole load of spells that Rarity has no need of in pretty much anything she does.
>How about spells that help your every day life?
Mmm… name some. Do, please, give an example of any flashy spell outside of basic telekinesis that we’re likely to see any unicorn cast to perform a job or make life easier on a day-to-day basis.
To continue the Rarity example perhaps could learn the ‘inanimate object to inanimate object’ (rocks to top hats) spell Twilight showed us to make clothes with!…. Except Twilight also showed us that said spell isn’t permanent and doesn’t seem to last long even for a pony as strong as Twilight… so that one would be useless.
Oh, oh, or perhaps Rarity could learn the wings spell? The same one which ended in her plummeting to her death and trauma of such would in no way give her valid reasons to stay the hell away from such a thing again.
Hmm… What, exactly, other spells is a seamstress like Rarity even going to want? A magic needle perhaps - but just TK-ing a normal needle is likely to be much easier to do. A cloth-weaving spell? Except just buying some would take her much less time.
Oh sure there are plenty of passive spells which would be nice to have, something to warm a drink perhaps, but thats hardly going to be the big blatant spellwork you claim to be talking about - and we’ve have little to no visual evidence of ponies using such things anyway (plus, again, if the task can be performed easier without magic - why use magic to do it?).
Oh wait, there is something Rarity can only really do reliable with magic! She could use it to find the gems she so needs for her dresses since that would surely be much cheaper than having to buy them! My what a convenient spell that would be for her, she should learn it immediat- oh wait.
What we have here is the one spell that works best with what Rarity does is one of the spells she’s shown to be capable of.
The only gross counterexample to there being a minimal number of useful day-to-day spells is teleportation and since the only ponies we’ve seen using that are all top tier magic users the simplest explanation is that it’s just a bloody hard spell to learn.
>Hey how about this! Earth ponies and pegasi can also use spells just like unicorns.
Well this is less ‘argument’ and more ‘you being a total twat’. You’re arguing from a point of absurdity in order to discredit a valid argument, rather than actually presenting a counterpoint.
>Okay I gues that’s enough sarcasm for now.
Ah yes. The “I was being sarcastic, not a complete twat” save attempt.
Mmmmm… nope. Not buying it. The evidence does pretty much prove you’re a twat, specifically a twat who has his own headcanon that runs counter to both evidence and basic logic and is willing to be a complete twat as he screams down anyone who thinks anything else.
So, in short, F*** off.
I’ve heard that argument before and it must be one of the most illogical ones there is.
Why are you using such strange spells as examples? If all unicorns could learn different kind of spells then surely they would learn some that are actually useful. Not spells to turn apples into oranges or rocks to top hats. Seriously now, where did you even pull those?
Some fans like to draw their unicorn OCs self levitating, with magic wings, teleporting and using all kinds of battle spells. Yeah sure why would Rarity for examply learn spells that would give her some self defence? It’s not like they would have been useful when diamond dogs kidnapped her. Right? How about spells that help your every day life? Naah unicorns just don’t give a shit right? We never see them using any spells and it’s said that they only have little magic power but of course that means nothing compared to your beloved headcanon.
Hey how about this! Earth ponies and pegasi can also use spells just like unicorns. They just don’t give a shit just like normal unicorns and that’s why we never see the using any spells. Maybe all earth ponies can do everything Pinkie Pie does but why would they want to learn them? Super running speed, instant teleportation, carrying items in invisible inventory without burden? Yeah those are all so useless.
Okay I gues that’s enough sarcasm for now.
@The Smiling Pony
Nonono, I would expect that with enough training and enough practice any unicorn can learn any magic.
The real question is… why would they bother? For the vast majority of unicorns how useful, really, are 99% of spells going to be to their daily lives?
Why would Rarity, who devoted herself to fashion, care about learning a spell to turn apples into oranges for example? Likewise why would a doctor care for learning a spell to turn rocks into top hats?
I believe that the lack of magic shown by most unicorns is not because they can’t do other spells, but simply because the vast majority just don’t want or need to learn any that don’t relate to the things the love to do (ie: their special talent). That and, y’know, the talent probably helps in learning related spells so to the pony other magic may seem harder by comparison and thus they have even more incentive not to bother with things outside their field.
Ponies with magic marks, however, don’t really have this issue as so many move into fields where wide magical learning is an advantage (eg: academia, where one would have to learn the magics or related magics that they want to take apart or research).
@Haagel
The nature of magic in the show is deliberately kept vague because if magic is fully explained it loses its mystery like how midi-chlorians destroyed the mystery of The Force. All we can do is speculate on how magic works in the MLP universe.
Regarding the relation of special talents/cutie marks to a pony’s abilities, it comes down to how you interpret cutie marks. I don’t interpret cutie marks as shackles for the characters. Because a pony excels at one thing does not mean they are good at nothing else. Rarity will never be as good at magic as Twilight or Trixie but if she tried hard enough I believe she could learn a couple minor spells in addition to gem finding and the standard telekinesis.
I pretty much believe they are limited to that. There’s a school for gifted unicorns which probably means that they indeed are gifted in magic. It’s even said in the show itself that normal ponies only have a little magic. We never even see any normal unicorns ponies using spells or such.
Maybe some day we get more information about this but until then, this is how it seems to be.
I thought we told outright that’s how it works for everycorn but Twilight.
I don’t believe unicorns are limited to spells only related to their special talent. If that were true I doubt there would be a school of magic just to teach unicorns a couple spells before their “spell slots” are filled. I think the average unicorn can learn new spells with study and practice.
Seeing how rare it is for pony to have magic as their special talent, that gropup of unicorns casting cloud walking spells would most likely be every single magic specialised unicorn in Equestria.
You might be onto something. If the ground is made of just clouds, unicorns and earth ponies can’t even stand there. Not to mention they would need an elevator or something to even get there.
Elevators and hot air balloons, I guess.
I wonder though, how would non-pegasi get up to the city? I guess there would have to be a group of unicorns paid to cast cloud walking on earth pony and unicorn visitors.