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ArrJaySketch
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Thread Starter - Started a thread with over 100 pages
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
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The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@rylasasin  
So, you’re not interesting in discussing things—I’ll bet even those that disagree with you most have things in common—you don’t care to talk to anyone, and you’re not even going to try to voice your opinion to folks most likely to do anything about it.
 
You’re basically just going to rant and be an obnoxious pest, a nuisance. Is that it?
 
Really classy.
rylasasin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@ArrJaySketch  
You’re not going to win people to your side by mocking them or dismissing them.
 
You assume I even have this in mind? You presume too much.
 
No, I’ve argued with enough creationists, rightards, etc. Over on youtube to know that once a person has a stance on something, they’re going to stick to it no matter what you do. I know how people are, there’s no convincing them of anything with polite words and well placed arguments no matter how air tight they are.
 
People are stupid. That’s just all there is to it.
 
“I’d highly encourage you to send a polite letter to Hasbro and The Hub and let them know about your concerns, because that will get more respect and serious consideration than throwing tantrums and mocking others.”
 
Yyeeaaaah because that has always worked soooo damn well in the past. It’s not like polite letters have a track record of epic failure or anything. It’s not like polite letters just get ignored or anything. (Obvious sarcasm.)
 
Honestly, I’m surprised this even had an effect at all.
 
Sorry, but “polite letters” never does anything. Anywhere. Anytime. It is a myth. That’s just hard reality. Reality I have no desire to be reminded of in any way.
 
“blind assumption” No, it’s educated assumption based on what we’ve seen in the past and elsewhere. Again, if you’d been paying attention to my and Greenjack’s concerns, perhaps you’d see that we have PLENTY of examples of good fandoms getting ruined by shit like this to go by.  
We go by history and observation. It is as simple as that.
 
@Background Pony
 
Maybe if you’d actually paid attention before clattering away on your keyboard like a buffoon you’d note that I didn’t actually have anything to do with the twilicorn drama.
Background Pony #BC1F
@ArrJaySketch  
I was beginning to think I was the only MLP:FiM fan to feel this way.
 
I just wish those slinging insults and vicious attacks weren’t the majority.
ArrJaySketch
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Thread Starter - Started a thread with over 100 pages
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Artist -
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@rylasasin  
You’re not going to win people to your side by mocking them or dismissing them. Believe it or not, people do share a lot in common.
 
I want to make something clear. I’ve never been thrilled about MLP:EG. I really wanted a MLP:FIM movie, and I still do. Most of my friends have been rather lukewarm about this.
 
Part of my reasoning here is the social aspect. If EG turns out to be a stinker, I’ll have no problem admitting it. I’m not going to blindly defend something I didn’t actually love. If it does well, and I feel I was honestly entertained, then sure, I’ll support it and I will encourage others to see it. Also, while you did not like the trailer, I did. It doesn’t mean that everyone who liked the trailer is “wrong”, no. It means that people usually do things the way they do for what they feel is a very good reason. I’m not questioning that.
 
Some people will never, ever want to see this movie. That’s perfectly fine, too. I have zero issue with that.
 
One thing in particular that I liked about MLP:FIM is that it surprised me in really fun ways. The plots were sometimes rather transparent, but the way in which the story unfolded completely surprised me. I’m hoping that EG will be the same. Many people are simply assuming that they’ll know what he story is before we actually do know. That is the part I’m having trouble with, here. No one here has even seen the movie yet. It’s that blind assumption that I’m questioning of you (just as you’re assuming that anyone who vaguely supports the movie is “blindly loyal”).
 
Either way, love it or hate it, I don’t want MLP:EG and FIM to cross over, either. I do love FIM and don’t want to see it become awful. If you are really that upset about it, I’d highly encourage you to send a polite letter to Hasbro and The Hub and let them know about your concerns, because that will get more respect and serious consideration than throwing tantrums and mocking others. (Or, apparently, some people are attacking show staff, which I don’t understand at all. They’re the ones bringing us FIM.)
 
Yes, it’s a line that some feel has been crossed, but at no point does that mean that you should be uncivil about it. There are plenty of things I disagree with, and disagree strongly with, but I don’t think that losing my head about any of it is a good way to handle things at all.
Background Pony #4DD8
@rylasasin  
@ArrJaySketch  
My. Fucking. God. SHUT UP!  
This is what happened with Twilicorn! You bitched about it before it camr out. Well… it happened, and nothing went wrong, but it’s only one stinking month and you whining like babies about something you haven’t deeply thought about. Drop it, and end it… NOW!!!(calms down)
 
Don’t listen to them Twilight, I love you know matter what you are. :) (hugs)
Background Pony #BEE6
@rylasasin  
It’s a movie nobody’s going to see, that’ll be out of theaters by the next weekend, and won’t be seen by a mass audience until fall. Stop shrieking like a peacock.
 
Of course you can’t trust a movie by it’s trailer; all it’s supposed to do is get people to see the movie. A lost of trailers have done this in slightly dishonest ways.
rylasasin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@ArrJaySketch  
… Am I really the only one who actually sees what’s going on here?
 
Basically, they made crap. They know they made crap, and now they know that the fanbase (for a large part) knows they made crap, despite their efforts to reassure us that they didn’t make crap, and said said fanbase (again, for a large part) is now SAYING they made crap.
 
So instead of owning up and saying “yeah, we made crap, we’re sorry, it’s marketing’s fault.” since that is basically carrerical suicide, and letting the EQG project die away like it really should have after the fan reaction to the first images of it that were shown (honestly, the fandom hated it then, what made them think they wouldn’t hate it now?), they’re basically trying to divert the blame somewhere else: to the (rightly so) outraged customers rather than to where it’s actually due. (and yes, death threats are excessive, I’ll agree. But that being said I really don’t find that surprising.)
 
And from where I’m standing, it seems to be working, sadly.
 
It’s basically the exact same tactic that the directors of Battleship tried to play when it bombed, trying to blame critics for its box office failure rather than the fact that it was a shitty, overbudgetted piece of crap based on a ridiculously stupid, yet done to death cliched premise that relied more on marketing to sell than anything. (Sound familiar?)
 
And for those saying “Well, shouldn’t judge the movie by its trailer”… well wtf?! That’s the ENTIRE POINT Of a trailer: To give a sneak peak of said movie so people CAN judge whether it will be good or not, and to help nudge people towards the notion that it will be the former. If it cannot do that, then it has failed its one and only real purpose.
 
And yes, that seems cold, cruel, or even hateful. But that’s just harsh, material reality. Which ironically, is part of the reason a lot of us like this franchise so much to begin with: it presents a world where we CAN get away from said harsh, hopeless, utterly pointless reality we call the universe, a… blank slate, as you were. A place where the imagination can run wild, where friendship is magic, etc etc etc. In other words: it is rougly the same reason we like games like Fallout, or Morrowind, etc. Whereas EQG simply reminds us of our current reality and thrusts us back into it, in about the worst way possible.
 
And to those that say that we’re “Panicking” Or “Paranoid”… well, there’s a good reason for this: Stuff like we claim CAN happen HAS happened before: Perfectly good franchises going down the drain thanks to people not voicing a strong enough opinion on the matter. Most if it in recent history I might add. One only needs to take a minor look outside this franchise at other franchises to know what can happen when marketing gets too much say in a matter. (Sonic, Hollywood in general, Mass Effect, hell, even Things like SKYRIM has fallen victim to this sort of thing.) We are not basing our fears on absolutely nothing like some people here would like to believe we are, like even I would like to believe I am. But sadly, history and material reality tells us differently.
 
I’d also like everyone to know this before I hear the chorus of “whiny fanboy” or “dramafag”: Up untill EQG, I have almost NEVER participated in any other drama whatsoever. And when it did rear its ugly head (Twilicorn drama, Double Rainboom Drama, Nyx Drama (yes I was around for that. By sithis I feel old), OC drama, Alicorn drama, Cadence drama, etc) I was on the OTHER side. The side you are on NOW.
 
However, even I have limits, and this has just crossed it.
Greenjack
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The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@rylasasin  
to be fair, I don’t mind her being a princess, I just mind the way they made her one.
 
 
@ArrJaySketch  
ooh, someone saying that something is wrong because corporate is doing stupid shit is definitely the same as people saying writers should go kill themselves. how fucking original!
 
I’ve put up with people saying that “wait and see” crap all my life, and with twilicorn I’m willing to give it a chance, just because FiM has enough structure to provide the artists something to work with. EqG is the equivalent of asking michelangelo to make a sculpture out of a pile of human excrement: no matter how good it turns out it’s still shit. it has a no-win scenario for FiM if it succeeds no matter how good it actually is.
ArrJaySketch
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Thread Starter - Started a thread with over 100 pages
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Artist -
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@rylasasin  
Okay, let me lay out clearly for you. There have been very real reports of staff leaving the show because of personal attacks made from “fans” lashing out. Ask @tehbobbles on Twitter (head of Nightmare Nights, and has close relations with Hasbro and DHX staff.)
 
The attacks have been so violent, staff is considering leaving the show.
 
What this behavior is doing is ruining the show right now, before production is even finished on the fourth season. Fans’ horrible behavior WILL kill the show right now.
 
I can’t make it any clearer. Fans need to stop overreacting and panicking about this.
rylasasin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@ArrJaySketch  
How long it runs is not relevant. What IS, is the effects it has and what the success/failure of this thing will mean for the series. What letting a clear pandering/marketing ploy will mean for the main series (degradation of quality.)
 
Trust me, I’ve seen it happen. It’s called “Skyrim.” (Compare it to Fallout New Vegas, and you’ll see what I mean almost instantly once you get past the “Woo I can wield two weapons now!” bit.) It’s called “Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.” (Anyone remember that game? No. Why? because it sucked balls.) it’s called “Windows 8”… hell, it’s called “New Hollywood in general.”
rylasasin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@King Sombra  
Indeed. The one little sliver of joy (besides this and gaming, both of which are being wrecked before my very eyes.) in an otherwise meaningless existence, brought about by a world full of morons.
 
… and yes, I’m quite well aware you meant that sarcastically.
rylasasin
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@ArrJaySketch  
“Yes, I’m sure being an asshole will change other people’s mind.”
 
You presume that I even aim to do this. No, I’ve learned from arguing with creationfucks over on youtube that this is folly. You can almost never convince anyone of anything. People are just fucking retarded like that.
 
The only thing to do is mock them.
ArrJaySketch
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Thread Starter - Started a thread with over 100 pages
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Artist -
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@rylasasin  
Something you’re also not understanding is that MLP:EG is only having a very limited run in theaters, like 2-5 days, and it’s going to air on The Hub this fall anyway.
 
My curiosity overrides my objections. I’ve seen some pretty awesome cartoons I otherwise would have missed because of my curiosity. This is not the end of the world.
ArrJaySketch
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Thread Starter - Started a thread with over 100 pages
Wallet After Summer Sale -
Birthday Cake - Celebrated MLP's 7th birthday
Artist -
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@rylasasin  
Yes, I’m sure being an asshole will change other people’s mind. Why, anytime anyone acts that way to me, I immediately see the light and their side of the—WAIT, no I don’t!
 
You’re basically saying to everyone “STOP LIKING WHAT I DON’T LIKE” and being a huge asshole about it. Guess what? People are going to do what they’re going to do, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
 
You look like some sort of insane cospiracy theorist. You look unhinged. I’ve seen what worry looks like when it runs away with itself, and this is it. It’s hard to take anything you say seriously because it’s like you’re letting panic rule your every thought and action. It’s obvious. Calm down there, buddy.
 
Everything could be ruined. It could also be awesome. My apartment could burn down tomorrow. But it probably won’t.
 
I’m going to go watch the movie out of curiosity. Because it was made by the FIM team, I’m sure it’ll be good. I didn’t expect MLP:FIM to be this good when I first started watching. I admit, I’m not excited about the MLP:EG High School setting—I hated high school—but I’ve seen more than enough evidence that the MLP:FIM team can tell amazing stories. I’m willing to give this a chance.