@Exedrus
What a typically fanboy thing to say. Accusing everyone who’s critical of something that hype has pushed under their nose is guilty of seeking it out on purpose.

@Background Pony #08AA

@habitantunholycity

The story is about the character’s development and how these situations changed them.

If you’re reading a story where the simple theme behind it is character change and development then the only honest thing I have to say to this is The Jungle does it better.

Honestly when I first read FoE I was on the boat it was the best thing ever produced in the last five years or so. But since then I started reading more and exploring novels both written in the past century, two centuries, or even five to ten years. I’ve since discovered the magic of the minimalist prose of Kenziboru Oe and his novel Death by Water still haunts me.

Literature - whether modern or classic - isn’t defined by Twilight, Fifty Shades of Grey, or innumerable Penny Dreadfuls and if we’re comparing Fallout to those then easily yes: it is the better block of narrative, especially for free. But when you have to put it up against the vast sum of other works that are just as available to read then it loses its own value and the relative shallowness of the thematic philosophy behind it and the particular blandness of it shows through; more so Project fucking Horizons. Even against Death by Water where the heaviest criticism I’d throw at it after the fact is that the characters say, “anyways” far too often.

I think if we had to pull anything from this discussion it’s, “Read more”. And to read more outside of genre fiction.

@habitantunholycity

The story is about the character’s development and how these situations changed them.

1.1 million word monstrosity out of it

The only reason i didn’t immediately forget about it like any other fanfic is because of the fanbase it’s spawned, which is a clusterfuck of truly Hegelian proportions.

Perhaps it’s just my distaste for post apocalyptic fiction …

No such group or faction exists in the show.  

“The very cliches you argue make the story bad (and quite frankly I never had a problem with the pacing of the writing) are also present in this show.”

One of the criticisms i held towards it was that the raiders are essentially an always chaotic evil race for the protagonists to endlessly slaughter without moral dilemma.

No such group or faction exists in the show.

And an overuse of cliches can and often times is what makes a story bad, see Eragon for a perfect example of this.

“This character also has flaws which evolve as the story progesses, in fact if there wasn’t any this picture couldn’t exist.”

Again, i didn’t argue to the contrary. My point was not that they hand’t, rather was that the events that triggered such personal metamorphoses can only exist in the realm of bad genre fiction.

“What i’m here for” is completely irrelevant because i’m here to look at pictures, not to read. Regardless of what your philosophy on aesthetics is, I doubt you’d argue they’re the same for prose/poetry and visual arts.

And the difference is that i consider MLP entertainment. Entertainment is better suited for the TV, and 22 long episodes with endearing characters are the perfect model for this. The only common thing between all the examples i’ve given you is that they tend to stay on the more artful end of the spectrum. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with entertainment, but just like art, there is good entertainment and bad entertainment.

@Background Pony #08AA
Mate, i’m not sure you’re understanding me, do you not understand how prose works in order to convey feelings (what is called the tone)?

It’s not that I didn’t experience the same feelings as the characters, I would never judge any work of literary fiction (which is largely more character than plot based) because of that. My point is that the prose fails to convey those feelings the characters are experience. A good example of prose being used as an aesthetic is Sound And The Fury, which alternates between wildly different styles if writing in order to convey the different personalities of the characters - conveying just how fuddled Quentin’s mind is – or how terse and sarcastic Jason can be.

It doesn’t matter how it changed the characters because all the events portrayed are strictly on the genre fiction side of writing. It’s not that they exist only in fantasy, is that they could only exist purely in fantasy (power fantasies, at that). Granted, so does MLP, but despite the magic and ponies in the show, it’s clear that the ponies have human personalities with realistic flaws and virtues.

Shit prose (inb4 prose is subjective) and genre fiction cliches does not a good story make.