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They work if someone’s trashing around and you just need them to stay still enough not to break anything, but they’re not great against calmly-malicious people capable of patient rational thought.
Work up a tiny bit of slack, work with it, and you’ll get the entire thing loose enough you might be able to pull it off entirely.
Then you can untie whatever you want, and put it back on if you feel like it.
Yeah I guess youre right plus that toilet needed someone to clean it anyway